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Long-term Staff Housing Strategy
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to see that the government is open to making changes and modifications with the new staff housing strategy, and that the desire of ordinary Members to review the policy is welcomed. I am pleased to learn of the four month delay in implementation. The policy has been rushed and many questions are still unanswered. I am glad to see the government is proposing to replace the invidious hardship allowance. I look forward to the details of the shelter assistance policy. I hope it will consider the number of dependents in a household as well as household income.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Kakfwi and his deputy minister, Mr. Lovely, have been characterizing the anger and opposition over this rent increase as mostly coming from employees who are in it for the money. People, to quote Mr. Lovely, they will be happy to say "goodbye" to. They would have us believe the loudest complaints are coming from two-income, white transient families with a cottage in the south. In fact, this increase is hitting long-term dedicated employees with families who are committed to staying in the north because of their dedication to being teachers, government administrators, people we do not want to lose. It is also hitting lower level employees with families especially hard. These are often Inuit, most of them are women, these are the core of our clerks, secretaries, classroom assistants and junior teachers who happily constitute between 40 and 50 per cent of the present public service in my region. I will have some specific questions about one such employee later today.

I would like to close this statement by quoting from a very well-respected constituent and a long-term northern resident, in a recent letter to the Minister, Mr. Mike Gardener, writing in his personal capacity and I think some of his advice has been heeded. "I felt I should write you as someone more neutral and detached than some others, being a non-government employee. I do not think anyone can really say they can be detached from the effects of this proposed new policy of yours if it goes ahead as planned. The effect would upset the whole territories for many years to come. Already I hear so many people talk about leaving the north and they mean it. Its effect would be disastrous for years to come unless a drastic revision of your policy is publicized as soon as possible."

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson, your allotted time has expired.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I wish to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to proceed. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Patterson.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. "I hear of so many people, especially in the smaller more isolated communities, whose rent would be far more than they earn. It is true there is this hardship allowance you mention, but that reeks of welfare and will turn many people off and make them leave the north. If your policy goes ahead, it will leave our hospital here truly understaffed. It is hard enough now to get staff, let alone if their take-home pay were to be severely cut. We have heard about teachers in Igloolik and we can be sure the same would be true of most other communities. Then there would be a tidal wave effect on the rest of the northern economy, failures of local construction companies, hotels, stores and even hardship for churches."

Mr. Speaker, I hope we can proceed and look at this objectively and cooperatively in order to avoid these dire consequences. I look forward to working with the Minister to that end. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.

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February 17th, 1993

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, along with my honourable colleague, Dennis Patterson, have concerns with the long-term staff housing strategy, as a representative of the Kitikmeot. The civil servants in my region have expressed concerns of a similar nature. The Kitikmeot Teachers' Association held a general meeting which I attended in Kugluktuk. At the time, the Kitikmeot board of education and the chairperson discussed the housing strategy. They expressed their concern regarding the increases. The NWT Teachers' Association chairman was also in attendance. She made a presentation, and she felt this was being processed too rapidly. They are not overly concerned with the increases but they feel the implementation process is being done too quickly, particularly for the smaller, isolated communities. These communities have not received adequate information, and have not been consulted with by the Minister or his department. The cost of living and transportation costs are very expensive. These things need to be taken into consideration.

Our children are being taught by teachers and we should be concerned about their future. Personally I do not have a problem with the increases. However, I think the policy is being processed too quickly. (Translation ends)

The teachers and the government employees within the Kitikmeot region are willing to comply with the strategy, with the rental increases, but they want fairness in the assessment of the strategy.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Ningark, your allotted time has expired.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and my colleagues. Mr. Speaker, the teachers and the government employees of the Kitikmeot region are willing to comply with the strategy, but they want fairness in the assessment. The assessment, by comparing Yellowknife to an isolated community, is not fair. Transportation costs, the availability of housing, the conditions of housing, and the climatic and geographic location of the smaller communities should be considered. As I have stated, Mr. Speaker, the chairman of the Kitikmeot board of education is opposed to the strategy as it is in the context which Mr. Minister has stated in his Minister's statement. During the appropriate time, I will be asking for action on some of the concerns which came from the Kitikmeot region government employees. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to speak about the staff housing increases in the north. Mr. Speaker, I represent some of the smaller communities in the Baffin region and they are the northern communities. This proposed policy to raise the rent for staff housing is a concern of my constituents also. If this proposal goes ahead perhaps, Mr. Speaker, it should have some amendments to it before it comes into effect. The people are concerned this will be harmful for the teachers and some of the communities if it is implemented at all once. It should be

implemented gradually. I know this proposal will go ahead, but it should be done gradually rather than doing it all of a sudden. Perhaps the Minister should give more information to those people who are in government staff housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Pudlat. Item 3, members' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Affects Of Alcohol And Drug Abuse
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard, in this House many times about the impact of alcohol and drug abuse in our northern communities. Mr. Speaker, nothing goes against traditional values that aboriginal women and men have held for centuries the way alcohol and drug abuse does. Nothing violates our homes, threatens the safety of women, children, elders and reduces community productivity the way alcohol and drug abuse does. Nothing harms the spiritual well-being of the individual the way alcohol and drug abuse does.

Mr. Speaker, I am concerned about what is happening with certain aspects of this government's administration of addictions treatment. Nothing is more unacceptable than administrative inefficiency in this area. Mr. Speaker, addictions are a family disease, I believe. It is important, especially within the holistic healing framework that Dene and Inuit have embraced for centuries, that the family should be held as a unit.

I understand that some community alcohol and drug workers have been advised by the Department of Social Services they will not fund out-of-territories referrals for families. I also understand that resources for treating the family unit in the Northwest Territories are limited or non-existent. I have even heard there is not enough money to send clients to specialize treatment programs in southern Canada until April 1993. That is not right, Mr. Speaker. The Minister needs to take a hard look at the decisions her Yellowknife officials have been making in this area. Chief Steve Kotchea of Fort Liard put it very well when we commented, and I quote "the circle can be broken, but mended with proper treatment." If we are going to keep the circle strong, Mr. Speaker, we must ensure that troubled families are offered opportunities to receive the very best treatment, otherwise we as elected officials will be contributing to the problem rather than the solution. I have faith in the Minister's abilities to correct this problem and I urge her to start working on it immediately. Mahsi cho.

Affects Of Alcohol And Drug Abuse
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, members' statements. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable Members will know for a long time I have been advocating changing the benefits that we provide to government employees to better reflect the economic times...

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Sorry, Mr. Gargan, I am told this is your second statement today. That is against the rules.

---Laughter

---Applause

Time had gone so quickly I thought it was only yesterday that you had spoken. Item 3, members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 143-12(3): Use Of Federal/territorial Correctional Service Agreement
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have two returns. One is in response to a question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on December 1 with regard to use of federal/territorial correctional services agreement. Mr. Speaker, in response to the question concerning the federal/territorial correctional exchange of services agreement, its preamble sets out reasons for the agreement. Inmates serving sentences of more than two years come under federal authority and would, without the agreement, have to serve time in federal institutions. Some reasons listed in the preamble why the inmate would be kept in the Northwest Territories, under the agreement, include access to available programs, no security concerns, the particular needs of the offender including access to one's home community or culture and space which is available in our facility.

The decision to allow an inmate in question to remain in the Northwest Territories was a joint decision that included the full support of the Correctional Service of Canada Parole. Inmates considered for retention by the GNWT under the agreement, are those who qualify under the general provisions but specifically we would look at those who are first-time offenders who do not present a risk to the public, who have limited experience in prisons, who are unilingual in an aboriginal language and who are residents in the Northwest Territories or who have lived here for a number of years. Thank you.

Return To Question 205-12(3): Allowing All Government Employees To Buy GNWT Houses
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

I have another return. On December 9, 1992 the Member for Thebacha asked if I would consider a change in the sale process for staff housing. It was suggested that rather than providing first preference only to government employees who are living in the units, all government employees of the community should be given equal preference.

Mr. Speaker, the sale process has already started in Hay River, Yellowknife and Fort Smith and the current tenants have been given the opportunity to buy the units they occupy. I do not believe it would be fair to withdraw this option from them now that it has been given. However, if the existing tenants do not exercise their right to buy within the specified time frame, the units that are made available will be turned over to the real estate agents in those communities for sale to the general public at market value. At that point, all employees in the communities as well as everyone else will have the ability to submit a bid. This process appears to be working quite well in Yellowknife as some units have already been sold through real estate agents. Mahsi.

Return To Question 205-12(3): Allowing All Government Employees To Buy GNWT Houses
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Allooloo.

Return To Question 165-12(3): Reason For Stating Community Not United On Aircraft Maintenance Facility
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on December 2, 1992. The final plans for the aircraft maintenance facility in Fort Smith will be completed after the department receives and accesses the recommendations from the review of the forest fire management program. The recommendations will include a requirement for the use of large air tankers as the most appropriate method for managing forest fires. This information is required to complete the final design of the aircraft maintenance facility. No proposals for constructing the aircraft maintenance facility will be considered until the review of the forest fire management program is completed and assessed. Thank you.

Return To Question 165-12(3): Reason For Stating Community Not United On Aircraft Maintenance Facility
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Patterson.

Question 258-12(3): Delay Implementation Of Constituent's Rent Increase
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I believe the Minister of Personnel is aware of the case of Shovinai Mike. This lady made plans to move to a new unit before the new staff housing policy was announced, because with a family of six and a husband who is a student, she needed a cheaper unit with lower rent. I think the Minister's staff knew that when she requested the move. The problem, Mr. Speaker, is that she got caught in the new strategy. It was announced as coming into effect April 1, and it will now come into affect July 1, 1993. She has been hit with the new rent right away. This seems very unfair and she is feeling betrayed. Would the Minister consider ensuring that the implementation of the new rent increase on this employee, who moved in good faith and was told to expect lower rent, will now be delayed until the strategy is finalized?

Question 258-12(3): Delay Implementation Of Constituent's Rent Increase
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.