Thank you, Mr. Koe. Mr. Pollard.
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Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1993-94
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The Chair Brian Lewis
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Chairman, based on the detailed analysis that we had done, our liability is $21.903 million as of March 31, 1994. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
I presume that $21.903 million and whatever cents has all been calculated employee by employee. If the Minister can assure me of that I will support this particular item. If not, I won't.
Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1993-94
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Thank you, Mr. Koe. Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Chairman, we actually calculated the cost on a 20 per cent sample of the Government of the Northwest Territories employees and extended it from there. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Are you finished, Mr. Koe? I'll go now to Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Mr. Chairman, I've been asking about this kind of accounting entry for many years. I still, even having listened to the learned debate of Mr. Koe and Mr. Pollard, can't understand it. It seems to me that governments are downsizing all over the country and that we're less and less likely to see people in our public service retiring or fleeing because there's no longer any other alternatives in southern Canada. So I think that they're going to stay and they're going to probably be anxious to hold on to their jobs as the financial crunch worsens. So I'm tempted to ask Mr. Pollard what will happen if we refuse to approve this item, but I've asked this question before and I've been assured that I don't understand accounting principles, which I know is true. So, if Mr. Koe is satisfied, I'm satisfied, and I will make no further comments. Thank you.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
General comments. Does anybody have any general comments, general statements or general
questions? Okay then, human resource management, not previously authorized, $15,441,249. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Total department, $15,441,249. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Finance, operations and maintenance, revenue and asset management, not previously authorized, $1.725 million. Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
I assume this is for lands. Municipalities borrow money to develop land or other infrastructure with a community. Is my assumption right?
Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1993-94
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Koe is correct, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
The $1.725 million, is that a part of the adjustment of $1.86 million?
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Koe, perhaps you could try that again so that Members can understand what you're getting at.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
There's a sentence at the bottom of page 7 that says the total 1993-94 adjustment was $1,860,524. Was that the total write-off or total adjustment on the debenture?
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Pollard.
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John Pollard Hay River
The total adjustment was $1,860,524, Mr. Chairman, that's correct.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Koe.
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Fred Koe Inuvik
The difference between this not previously authorized amount of $1.725 million and $1,865,525 is $140,000; is that being accumulated within the current budgets?
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Pollard.