Mr. Chairman, my preference is to bring in a witness, please.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The gentleman I have with me is Mr. Lew Voytilla who is the secretary to the Financial Management Board. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I have some general comments. The chairman of the standing committee mentioned that there was a significant amount of person years being requested in various departments. Can the Minister identify the number of additional person years that are being requested, where they are going, and what is the value of the dollars associated with these person years?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there are seven PYs in the Department of the Executive, that's for the Division Review Committee Secretariat. In Justice, there's one PY for the maintenance enforcement division. In Justice, there are 14.5 corrections positions and they're for the base deficiencies in the program. In Safety and Public Services, there is one PY which is a safety inspector for Keewatin region. There are two positions in Safety and Public Services that are for mine inspectors. There is one position in Safety and Public Services which is for a labour standards inspector. In Public Works and Services, there is one PY that deals with the Yellowknife office plan; it's a project officer. In Public Works and Services, there are two PYs with regards to the decentralization initiative and that is computer operators -- one in Rankin Inlet and one in Inuvik. In transportation, there's one PY and it's because the negotiations are going on right now with the Arctic A airports transfer. In Municipal and Community Affairs, there's one PY for the emergency measures program. In Health, there are two PYs to administer the non-insured health benefits program.

The direct salaries will probably be in the region of $1.5 million, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

Can I assume and maybe the Minister can correct me, are the majority of these PYs located in Yellowknife or outside Yellowknife?

Mr. Chairman, the Executive positions are in Yellowknife. The Justice position is in Yellowknife. The 14.5 corrections positions are spread around the Northwest Territories in the various centres. As I said, the safety inspector goes to Keewatin. The two mine inspectors, I believe, are in Yellowknife. Labour standards inspectors are in Yellowknife. The Yellowknife office plan project officer is in Yellowknife. There are two PYs, one in Rankin and one in Inuvik, for Public Works and Services computer operators. The Arctic A airports is a person based out of Yellowknife. MACA, I'm not quite sure about, Mr. Chairman, but I'll look at that. I believe Health is in headquarters, as well.

The casuals, to be more specific, are in Baffin, 3.2; Fort Smith, 5.7, and in Yellowknife, 5.6 PYs, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

I know we'll get into more specific detail when we go page by page, but generally some of the new PYs that you've identified seem to be for specific projects, specific issues that have been raised in this House. For example, the project officer for Yellowknife office planning. There's more mining inspection, we know there are more mines. The negotiator for Arctic A airport transfer. Some of these positions seem to have a specific purpose. Is there sunset clauses on these additional PYs? Are they only in here for one year or are they going to be on the books forever?

Mr. Chairman, there's a sunset on the Executive, seven PYs. There's a sunset on the office plan person for Public Works and Services. Transportation, again, there's a sunset on that with the negotiation. MACA, emergency measures, there's a sunset on that one. Health, the two PYs there, Mr. Chairman, are vote 4 and vote 5 money, although there are employees there paid for by the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I assume the sunset is still March 31, 1995, this fiscal year?

Mr. Chairman, it depends on the program, like the seven PYs and division; it just depends how long it takes to put all that information together and whether it requires seven PYs next year or whether the workload decreases after they wade through the initial exercise. I don't know. With Public Works and Services, yes, there is a sunset on that. I don't believe it is 1995; it is 1996, I believe. And in Transportation, I'm told by the Minister that he anticipates this transfer will be taking place within the next couple of months, or things will be concluded by then. So, I would imagine that would be concluded next year, as well, Mr. Chairman.

For the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, I'm not quite sure about emergency measures. Let me just check. Public Works and Services is 1997, not 1996. It is a three-year term position, Mr. Chairman. And MACA is emergency measures funding from the federal government, so one might say it expires each time the agreement with them expires which probably is at the end of the fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

It seems strange that you need a PY to do an office plan for Yellowknife for three years. Anyway, I'll address that later. In terms of overall movement of PYs, during the past several years, the Cabinet made great pronouncements about decentralizing departments and activities from headquarter areas, to regional headquarters and to communities. The majority of the transfers are from the Yellowknife area to regional centres.

Over the past three years, then, since we've been here, can the Minister give me some idea of how many PYs have been moved out of Yellowknife and, subsequent to that, how many

new positions have been created in Yellowknife at the headquarters region?

Mr. Chairman, I have that information, but I don't have it with me. I don't think we're going to conclude this supp today, so I will have it with me tomorrow. But, I will tell the committee that the initial decentralization out of Yellowknife was more than recouped by the capital city the next fiscal year, just from forced growth in the community. I recall a growth in teachers and so on.

I will have that information available for the committee tomorrow, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.