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Further Return To Question 356-12(7): Policy Re Funding Personal Care Facilities In Nwt
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

April 5th, 1995

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on March 30th concerning policy regarding funding for personal care facilities in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, on March 30, 1995, the honourable Member for Thebacha asked about how fees for seniors living in personal care facilities are determined. It is important to note, Mr. Speaker, that residents of personal care facilities are charged only for room and board. Residents of personal care facilities do not pay for the services or care they receive. However, the room and board fees are currently based on the level of care required. The room and board fees charged to residents receiving level 1 and 2 care, or "personal care," is $380 a month. People requiring level 1 care are fairly independent, but may require some guidance or supervision with activities of daily living. At level 2, people are able to get around safely with or without aides, are able to assist in dressing and feeding, and are usually continent. The rate for people requiring personal care is indexed to the consumer price index and increases annually.

The room and board charges for persons receiving level 3 and 4 care, or "nursing home" care, in either a facility or extended care unit in a hospital is determined by the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act. A person requiring level 3 care requires more than assistance and supervision, and is usually not continent. At level 4, a person requires regular and continuous medical attention on a 24 hour basis.

Residents requiring level 3 and 4 care are required to pay the total amount received through monthly pensions received under the Old Age Security Act, and a monthly allowance paid under the Northwest Territories Senior Citizens Benefits Act. This would be less $75 which residents retain for personal comforts. This results in a maximum room and board charge of $895. This amount is adjusted with the quarterly rate changes in old-age security and guaranteed income supplement payments.

Facilities cannot charge more than these rates for room and board to residents.

Mr. Speaker, the former Department of Social Services was responsible for people requiring personal care, and the former Department of Health was responsible for people requiring nursing home care. That is why we currently have these two different methods of determining room and board charges. This is confusing for both families and residents, and unfair, since residents can pay different amounts for the same room and board. In 1995-96, the Department of Health and Social Services plans to implement a single fee for residents of personal care facilities, multi-level care facilities, and long term care.

Mr. Speaker, I have another return, if I may proceed.

Further Return To Question 356-12(7): Policy Re Funding Personal Care Facilities In Nwt
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Proceed, Ms. Cournoyea.

Further Return To Question 327-12(7): Funding For Official Languages Directives
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

It is a return to a question asked by Mr. Titus Allooloo on March 28th, regarding lapses under the languages agreement.

Mr. Allooloo asked about money lapsed under the 1993-94 budget for the Canada-NWT cooperation agreement for French and aboriginal languages and why this money was not used to contract consulting services.

Contract dollars were available under the 1993-94 French language budget, however, these contract dollars were to be used specifically for research on delivery models for French language services.

Due to difficulties in finding a qualified candidate, the project start date was delayed, resulting in a budget lapse of $63,671.

Though the lapse was forecast in advance of the end of the fiscal year, the terms of the past languages agreement were such that there was little flexibility to transfer funding.

The current languages agreement allows much more flexibility to transfer funds as needs arise. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 327-12(7): Funding For Official Languages Directives
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard.

Further Return To Question 378-12(7): Review Of Pay Scales For Dental Therapists And Public Health Nurses
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Koe on April 3, 1995, concerning the status of collective bargaining with the UNW in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories and the UNW have been unable to negotiate a collective agreement. In January 1995, the parties met, with Mr. Vince Ready acting as a facilitator. The Government of the Northwest Territories and the UNW were unable to agree on the major salary, benefits and hours of work issues. Mr. Ready suggested that both parties proceed to arbitration.

Agreement has now been reached with the GNWT to appoint Mr. Vince Ready and Mr. Duncan Stewart as co-arbitrators, pursuant to section 41.5 of the Public Service Act. The arbitrators will have all the powers and authority of arbitrators under the Arbitration Act.

Pre-hearing briefs will be exchanged between the parties on April 28, 1995 with copies submitted to the arbitrators. Rebuttal briefs will be exchanged on May 5, 1995. The arbitration hearing will occur on May 9 and 10, 1995. The arbitrators will have up to three months to make an award that will set the terms for the new collective agreement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 378-12(7): Review Of Pay Scales For Dental Therapists And Public Health Nurses
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin.

Return To Question 411-12(7): Authority For Housing Authorities To College Damage Deposits
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Koe on authority for collecting damage deposits by local housing authorities.

The authority to collect damage or security deposits is provided by section 14 of the Residential Tenancies Act. The handling of security deposits is regulated by sections 15 to 18 of this act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 411-12(7): Authority For Housing Authorities To College Damage Deposits
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Patterson.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

I am happy to see that Ben McDonald is back, Mr. Speaker. Ben McDonald with the Union of Northern Workers.

---Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice with regard to the legal interpreting program funds that were cut. Mr. Speaker, most Members are aware that there is a study now being done with the firm of Avery Cooper & Co., which was hired to conduct a review of all interpreter/translator programs in the government.

Currently there are three government departments that deal with interpreters and translators. Arctic College is one, under Education, Culture and Employment; Health; and, Justice. But this particular question is for the Minister of Justice. Obviously, this report would contain recommendations regarding the legal interpreting program in the Department of Justice; however, a decision has been made to cut the legal interpreting program when this report is not yet complete. So I would like to ask the Minister why was this decision to cut this legal interpreting program made in isolation of the global picture this report would have provided? Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been anticipated for months now that the federal government will be cutting substantial amounts of money from the budget of this government and that certain programs would also be targeted for reductions by the federal government. It was in anticipation of that that the Department of Justice decided to look at reductions of positions that it funds itself. We felt, at that time, that we could rationalize eliminating these two positions without doing any damage to the statutory obligations we have under legislation to deliver language services. Thank you.

Return To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For months we have been waiting for a language handbook promised by the Premier. We still haven't seen it, but we have been promised it...(inaudible)...done by the government to take a cut, but not

as big a cut as was first anticipated, we realize that. But, why have decisions been made with the Department of Justice before this study with Avery Cooper & Co. is completed? This study would have perhaps made recommendations and given direction to the government on how to deal with this budget, which is not as big as it used to be. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is the intention of this government to look at ways in which we can better deliver the training component required within language services. We are looking at having the training component that is decentralized, delivered by one of the departments; probably the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. We are keeping in mind that we have to deliver basic language services under our legislation. It is true, as all Members are aware, that there are substantial cuts being made to our funding by the federal government, not only to the annual amount given to us as a government, but also specific programs. The one most recently illustrated is the massive reduction in funding that the federal government is willing to give us for French and aboriginal languages. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister mentioned that there were two positions that were cut within the Department of Justice. I know there was a interpreter/translator position out of Fort Smith and a manager position. These are both positions in the Dene language terminology development positions. My understanding of these two position is they are key positions in trying to develop terminology within the legal system for Dene interpreters. The Minister said these were areas where his government could justify cutting these programs. I don't think so. I think these are two key areas. The Dene language interpreters were lagging way behind the Inuktitut language legal interpreters. These resources are now skewed from the east to the west. When he says that he can justify it, can he explain how cutting these two key positions could be justified and help the interpreters in trying to develop the terminology for legal interpreting? It is key in the west that we need more interpreters in the court system to help people in the west. Mahsi.

Supplementary To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there is only a certain number of places within the Department of Justice that we have some flexibility in being able to make reductions to the budget. Every one of those areas, I expect, will meet with opposition from the ordinary Members. I can't think of any area where I can propose reductions without some strong opposition from ordinary Members. It poses a dilemma for this type of government that works on a consensus. We have to come to the realization that the amount of money we have been operating on is no longer there. We have to make some very critical choices. Choices mean that you have to hold your nose, so to speak, with things that you find objectionable because there is simply not the means to deliver the same level of service any longer. It is with this in mind, that we made the cuts that we have. It is because the amount of funding that is available is no longer there that we have to make the kind of reductions that we do. It is unfortunate that this is happening and it is unfortunate that we come to look at areas like aboriginal languages, which all of us wish we could support and even allocate additional resources to but, at this time, that is not possible. So we try to protect those things that are essential, which are the actual interpreter positions. We have eliminated one manager's position. We have reduced the number of training sessions that we do on an annual basis and we have eliminated one position; a person who works on terminology for the western part of the territory. We think these are the least damaging of the reductions that had to be made to the scope of the program at this time. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine.

Supplementary To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This department has already made decisions with regard to the legal interpreter/translator programs. For example, the Minister mentioned two positions that were cut. I know there are positions that have not been filled yet and are left vacant. So there are decisions already made in how they are going to deal with these cuts. What is the purpose of the firm Avery Cooper conducting a review of all interpreter/translator programs in the government? I know the government has put aside $45,000 to do this work. Before the review is done or any recommendations are put forward by this review group, the government departments have already made decisions to make cuts in some key areas. What is the purpose of this review? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Question 413-12(7): Reason For Funding Reductions To Legal Interpreting Program
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, that firm was contracted to carry out this work under the direction of the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Thank you.