Thank you. General comments. Mr. Krutko.
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The Chair John Ningark
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
In regards to containing control and integrity of this Government. Do you have any guidelines that your Ministers' follow in regards to how they are carried out their responsibilities as Ministers.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Premier.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Ministers are to carry out their responsibility to deliver good government to people as Executive Council according to the policies and guidelines that we do have in the Financial Management Act. We have many different policies and many different acts that we have to follow. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
General comments. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In your sessional speech you make reference to the difficult choices that we will continue to need to make. Also, I will read from your sessional statement here: "Mr. Speaker, we have attempted to make these choices in a fair and equitable manner that treats all communities and regions as fair as possible".
That is a standard we committed to work to and as a group should we must discuss whether we are meeting that standard. In your opinion, or, is the Minister saying that we are heading towards that equality factor, I guess, the fairness issue. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Premier.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to let my Honourable Member know that we always do everything fair and that is how we start off and we will continue to do it as the Member knows that, you know, we started down this road, it is a two year process. It is a two year deficit elimination process. It is not the greatest time for any of us and I have, I guess some of us that have been here longer may have a thicker skin than others.
I commend the Members, especially the fifteen new Members that have been able to take the heat of what the public puts on you when you are going through deficit elimination. It must have been nice to have been involved in Government when they had a surplus and were involved in Cabinet when they had a lot of money to spend. Today we do not. Everybody must remember that this is a two year process. We agreed on a two year process and by the time this next budget is presented to the Committee it better even out, so that we look at those communities that may seem, or may seem that they have lost a bit more than another community.
The Minister of Finance is well aware that we have to look at being more equal and we always understood that those communities that had the most, the most Government jobs, would probably be hit the hardest, we knew that. There are communities out there that have one or two Government jobs in it. We knew that we could not hit those communities, so, that is the road we are going down and we are trying to make it as fair as possible.
The important thing too is that we talked about, earlier, about, to look at the things that we are doing and talk about them in public and make sure that we all know that, where we are going, and the direction we are going, and whether or not we are all committed to that direction, continually committed to that direction.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. We have Mr. Roland, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Krutko has already made a general comment and he is down the list. Mr. Roland. Mr. Krutko, on a point of order.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. You have no point of order, but you did make a motion to report progress. Your motion is not debatable. All those in favour of reporting progress, please signify. Please keep your hands up. Down. Opposed. The motion is defeated.
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Mr. Roland, general comments.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For having thick skin and taking the heat, I believe I can do that fairly well. I think a lot of us can, just the fact, I know back in the community of Inuvik over the summer when you left with the initial impact of it, that it would be difficult to continue this road if things were not seen to be balancing out. I can take the heat. I believe I can and I think we are on the right track when it comes to securing a financial future for those people that will call the new Territories their home, especially to our children.
We are heading on the right track, but there definitely needs to be some realigning in some situations, I believe. We have heard for quite some time as ... (inaudible) ... has mentioned earlier, the communication factor and stuff. We do have a lot of information, but I would say we need to add some qualify to that information because we are making some tough decisions and as you stated in your speech, there are going to be some tougher decisions to be made and choices to be made. I think it is very important that the information provided to us by the departments is accurate, as accurate as possible, that can be presented at the time. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Premier.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to assure the Member that the information we get will be the same information that you will get, and it will be as accurate as possible, and it will be as clear as we can possibly make it. I fully understand that Mr. Roland has to go back to Inuvik and explain to his constituency, the same as I have to go back to mine and explain to mine. It has to be seen to be fair. We will all have to work together to accomplish that. He was 100 percent right. The first year was tough, but the next year is going to be tougher. I fully realize that. Thank you.
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Thank you. General comments. Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a number of areas I would like to make general comments on. One of the areas is on the document that was building a foundation for a future. One of the first items mentioned here was on improving economic conditions. In that, what was meant was to enhance the creation of new and sustainable jobs for the Territories. We do not have a program in effect yet that creates new jobs. Our priority, and the Premier is correct in what he
stated, the first priority, had to be to get our financial House in order. I fully agree with him on that, but we need to ensure that we can put some emphasis next on job creation. I understand that we have to cut further this coming year. We have to start paying attention to this whole program of where we are going to find jobs for people because that will lead to a good social order for the well-being of people.
Mr. Erasmus has been speaking very eloquently and very forcefully on the need to put more money into the social envelope area. I sympathize with that, but when 65 percent of the territorial government's budget is devoted to the social envelope area; that is, education, health, housing, justice -- there is no one out there creating jobs. Education is addressing that problems, but we do not have a strategy that says this is how we can create jobs, other than through addressing training and so forth. I am afraid that what will happen is if we continue to put our money strictly into the social envelope area, pretty soon our budget will not be 65 percent, but next it will be 75 percent. What that translates into is that 25 percent of the money is put into road building and infrastructure building. That is where the jobs are.
You cannot keep handing out money to organizations and to individuals and systems that do not contribute to the economy. I am not against handing money and putting money into solving social problems. I am all for that, but we have to balance this out. Hence the reason for my concern about addressing the economic conditions that we are in the Territories. We are addressing that first, as the Premier stated, by putting our House in order. That is correct and I am all for that. I was one that wanted to push a little harder than the Premier even, but we are on a two year program. I would like to see that we address this whole question of job creation. I would like to see that we address summer employment for students which has not been done yet. I think summer employment for students is a necessity. We have to address this problem with the Union itself. I understand the Union's position and I understand our government's position and the difficulty that they need. But we have to have a meeting of minds on that situation because the Union must understand, too, that we have to create jobs.
I am concerned about the staff cuts that we are making. I understand that we need to make them, but where I now start having some concern is the message that is left with the rest of the staff. Staff will get very demoralized through the fact that more departments are being combined and they know that there may be lay-offs as a result. So you create a morale problem amongst the staff. How do we address that? I think we have to, as all of the Legislative Assembly, consider that, but Cabinet has to lead the way on that.
We need to address the question of privatization of companies. Where are we going with that and, hopefully, we will get a report on that fairly soon so that we know what it is that we can look at for privatization.
My final point is on the question of division. Division is one that we all agreed to. Where my concern is, is that it is not just a question for the East and the fact that, okay, we transferred to the East and they are operational. I also have to have the responsibility to ensure that that transfer -- April 1, 1999, Nunavut is operational, but that it is operational on an efficient basis. At the moment, I still have a responsibility to all the people of the Northwest Territories, not just in the West. My concern is, are we going to create an administration over there that is not ready to handle the administration of Nunavut to the degree that it should. Therefore, my concern lies around that area. Additionally, we have a concern with the West. Have we got everything together here? Or are we just saying, "Okay, division, bang, let us shoot another 50 people to the East." It has tremendous impact for morale of the employees. What do we do here? Do our operations function effectively here because we are pulling people out of the buildings here, et cetera? That is a concern of mine. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Premier.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will be following up on the plan that Mr. Dent talked a bit about in his Minister's statement today. As well, we will be working with Education and Renewable Resources and Economic Development and FMBS and other departments to develop a work plan for job creation.
We have already as a government taken a strong stance.
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Evaloarjuk.
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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq
(Translation) We do not have a quorum here.
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Premier.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Mr. Chairman, very quickly just to wrap up on what Mr. Ootes had said, we agree that we have to do this to create jobs because of the cutting that we have done. Also, on the summer employment for students, we are looking at developing a program of a 50/50 split with the private sector. We are going to work with the Ordinary Members to do that so we do not have the problem of having to pay so much money to summer students and employing more of them.
Yes, we do have problems with staff morale. There is no way we are going to get around that until we finish through this next year of work that we are doing. You always have staff morale problems when you are laying off people. But once we get through that, it should be better.
We are getting a lot of work done on the division issue. We do not expect to just kick open the doors April 1, 1999, -- It takes a lot of work and we are working to get that done. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. General comments. We have Mr. Erasmus and Mr. Steen. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Premier indicated in his speech that this government has pledged to take action on Aboriginal issues. I am assuming he was referring to the "Building a Foundation for the Future, Northwest Territories Agenda for Change", which under your heading of Taking Action on Aboriginal Issues, it states that the priority of this government is to respect Aboriginal rights, treaty rights and Aboriginal concerns and views.
Mr. Chairman, as a lot of people know, when the treaty party came up to this area to the Treaty 8 area, the treaty people did not -- at that point, of course, they were not treaty people -- the Aboriginal people up here did not want to sign the treaty until they got a lot of concessions out of the Treaty Commissioner. They basically negotiated a deal and, in the Commissioner's report, he wrote, and it is in all kinds of documents that the federal government itself hands out, that in order to get the people to sign the treaty, he promised them that they would never have to pay taxes. To this day, this government still taxes Treaty 8 Indians. So if we are going to respect and recognize Aboriginal rights and treaty rights, when is this government going to recognize the right for Treaty 8 Indians not to pay taxes?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Premier.