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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Would you like to respond to those comments, Mrs. Thompson?

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will be looking at ways to allow communities to invest their dollars in the near future. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. I have the honourable Member for Yellowknife North, Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The community empowerment strategy is a welcome development for the people in the West. The people have been asking for years to be able to take over programs and services. I am in total support of allowing the communities to provide their own programs and services, particularly through the use of block funding. That will allow communities to choose their own priorities and to move in the directions that they wish, provided that maintain certain minimum standards.

At times, the empowerment would have to be done at the community level and it would also have to be done at regional levels as well. The best way to ensure the success of the implementation of the community empowerment strategy is to utilize the existing aboriginal organizations that work and preside over certain areas. Those organizations already exist. They meet periodically and, for the most part, the people in those communities see them as the regional government.

I know that the social envelope has been working on a community empowerment framework. I understand that it is being completed. It is extremely important that the MLAs get a briefing on this framework before we go back to our communities; before the others go back to their communities, since I live here. I feel it is important that this briefing happens before people leave because if it doesn't happen, there won't be another opportunity when everyone is here for quite a while. I don't think we should go until September or October before people receive a briefing on community empowerment.

There are a lot of meetings in the West that occur with the aboriginal organizations. They meet in the summertime and have their general assemblies, and those are really good times to visit with the people and to discuss community empowerment and any other initiative that we wish to relay information and generate discussion on.

However, the other thing I wanted to mention is that we have other initiatives such as the community wellness initiative, the community justice initiative and now the community empowerment initiative. All of these initiatives seem to go hand in hand. It seems to me that we should have them all working together and that the easiest way to do this would be to have all those initiatives in the same envelope. Perhaps it's time to look at some way of doing

that. Is it time to move MACA into the social envelope or something like that? It must be difficult for two different envelopes to be meeting. I'm sure the social envelope people must be meeting with MACA in order to strategize, and it would be a lot easier if all people involved were in the same envelope.

So I would like to hear the Minister's thoughts on particularly the briefing, and also the possibility of having these community initiatives all under the same envelope structure. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the MLAs don't keep me here until September or October, we can do a briefing. We will be talking to the MLAs on community empowerment, if they would like to have a briefing while we're here for the session. I will ask my deputy minister to give more detail on the envelope structure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Mrs. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, MACA currently does attend all of the Social Program committee meetings and we have done for some time. There is a lot of effort put into trying to coordinate community empowerment with community wellness, with income support reform and with the early childhood development initiatives in Education. We're currently coordinating all of those efforts by making sure that all the progress reports are dealt with at the same meeting, that we have the same people working on the team. There is quite frequent and close communication between the different deputies who are working on these initiatives.

MACA isn't formally a member of the social envelope, but I can certainly assure Members that we're fully involved with the social envelope and communicating very closely at the DM level and at the other levels, as well. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Ballantyne. I have Mr. Krutko for the Mackenzie Delta.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is with regard to the meeting that was held in Inuvik regarding the tax-based municipalities. They had some concerns regarding the transfer. I believe it was that there should be some legislation to back up those transfers. I would like to know from the Minister of the status of that motion that was passed at the tax-based municipalities meeting,

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The recommendations for legislative changes that were given to us from the meeting, we will be dealing with in legislation. The more complex ones will follow shortly after that.

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Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Regarding the whole question of community empowerment and also areas where you have large band councils and also municipal councils; in order for the transfer to take place, I believe there has to be a mechanism where both groups work hand in hand and are in full support of any of those initiatives, especially where there are duplicate services taking place. An individual group or organization may want to look at that. Where there is dialogue going on between the bands and the locals, for the bands and the hamlets to look at the possibility of establishment of community councils within the communities. In the case of Fort McPherson, there were deliberations on that. I would like to ask the Minister what is being done in that area, especially with regard to where that process has been initiated and they are also looking at community transfers. Will that process be completed prior to these transfers taking place?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There has to be one governing body for the transfers to take place in a community. For some communities where they have a band council and a settlement or hamlet council or a Metis organization at the community level, they would have to work together in order for this to happen. Aklavik is a very good example where the band, the Metis and the hamlet have decided to work together on empowerment, and we support that, that there should be one body willing to work together so we can filter the government funds through that body. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My other question is with regard to having adequate resources and the human resources in place to assist the community in speeding that up, so they can try to have a community council structure in place so when they take the transfers over they do have this body in place. As I mentioned, McPherson is presently in the process of reviewing that. They have met with MACA out of Inuvik and discussed this, but it seems that, in order for them to take advantage of these initiatives of this government, they have to speed that process up to conclude it so they can't take as much benefit as they can by these transfers that this government is initiating. How soon can those negotiations be completed and also have the adequate resources in place to assist them in those negotiations?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to community transfer initiatives, we have allocated some funds to the regions to hire somebody to help the communities that are ready to do community transfers. The regional superintendents have been meeting on community empowerment. I would like this to be done as soon as possible, so we are working on that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. I have the honourable Member for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a few brief comments, and mine are related, as well, to the whole issue of empowerment, which I see as the main vehicle of the 13th Assembly in terms of making the changes that they're talking about, other than division.

There is a need and a desire for people in the communities -I know for sure in Fort Smith -- to actually see something in writing that outlines very clearly what we mean when we talk about empowerment, There is a great interest in this whole initiative, and I know in Fort Smith, we're planning on having a major community meeting in the fall to which we would like to invite senior people from the department to talk about this whole area.

I see MACA as being the lead department, by virtue of this initiative, in the regions, and having to play -- in addition to the role they play delivering their other services -- a coordinating role, possibly as a lead department, that would try to bridge and coordinate other departments and government services in the region now that we have no more regional directors.

The whole issue of empowerment to me relates very closely to the whole idea of self-government, and this is actually making it work. It's taking it out of the area of the abstract, out of the area of discussion in the political realm where there are high-level discussions, and you're talking with communities on how you make life better for people in the communities, how you take control over those services. So the key to me is having something that we can go out with in our hand to show the people. Nobody is willing to proceed without it that I know of. They know how words can disappear if they're just spoken and not written, and I've been told very clearly by the community leaders in Fort Smith that they really think the initiative has merit but they are not willing to turn one wheel or take a step in dealing with the government on something of this magnitude, of this importance, until they have a very clear idea of what we're saying and what we mean.

So I think this is a critical initiative and one which I will fully support. I think it's critical to this 13th Assembly. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I fully agree with the Member from Fort Smith. We have a community empowerment steering committee and we will be coming forward with a plan on community empowerment, and I will be making a statement on community empowerment in the next few days.

We fully support that the communities need to see how it's going to be done or how they will want it to be done within their community. There will have to be a plan for them to understand and be able to proceed with their plan, so there will have to be some community development workshops happening in the communities at the same time. The staff will be available to go into any meetings in the region to promote community empowerment as presenters; so, just to let the Members know that we will be available for any meetings that will happen in the future, we will be coming forward with a plan from the Community Empowerment Steering Committee that has been established which is chaired by Penny Ballantyne of MACA and other DMs from Health and Social Services, Economic Development and Tourism, and Public Works & Services are also involved. I agree with the Member: There has to be a plan in place, and we are doing that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson. I have Mr. Ootes.