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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

You may bring in your witnesses, Mr. Todd.

Could the Minister introduce his witnesses, please?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On my immediate right is Mr. Voytilla, the deputy minister of the FMBS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Todd. I now open the floor to general comments on the department's estimates. Mr. Miltenberger.

General Comments

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a few brief comments. One of the concerns I have about FMBS is, while they indicate that they are becoming more efficient, cutting their costs and size, to me, a lot of that is a function of off-loading onto the other departments; functions they have taken over -- data entry, verification, and all these other services -- where there has been no transfer of any resources. It's the same with Personnel; there's been a transfer of responsibilities with no transfer of resources and, often, to an already stretched-out regional department or area departments. I'm concerned that we have to be very careful about how we do this and monitor the situation so that we don't end up in the situation where we may have saved, but, as Minister Todd has indicated many times, we're, in effect, penny-wise but pound-foolish.

I'm also very concerned and interested in this initiative with regard to telecommunications. Some systems, where they do exist at all, are very fragmented or antiquated: our financial systems, the types of computers we use, the whole reliance on mainframes in this day in age. They have a very ambitious kind of schedule and I'm going to be very interested in how it proceeds. Thank you very much.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Todd, did you wish to respond?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

No.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Roland, did you have your hand up?

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just some general comments. Earlier on, the results statements spoke of enhancing the information value of government financial reporting. I'm interested in what you mean by enhancing the information value of the government system.

They speak of identifying and eliminating areas that overlap. I have the same concern that was raised earlier about getting rid of overlap but handing down a job without the required resources.

I was reading in the business plans about how this department has said that things have become much more difficult; the methods of accounting and so on have become difficult. One of the things I would like to know: Is this department not the one that's in control of the formulas and reporting systems that are existing and being created in the government? Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Todd, would you like to respond?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, I certainly would. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate my colleague's comments and Mr. Miltenberger's comments, too. Talking as the Minister responsible for the FMBS, I think it would be fair to say that perhaps it had an overbearing influence, if you want, on the way in which government did business. That's my contention. It didn't allow the managers to manage, it didn't allow the people at the field and regional level to make decisions and, to some extent, it still doesn't. We have to work very, very hard to make sure that happens, because we want to make sure that those who are closer to the problems and the issues have the capacity to make the decisions in terms of what action has to be taken and what money has to be spent.

That's just a general statement in response to why we're doing what we're doing. I would suggest to you that over the years -- I don't know whether Mr. Voytilla would agree with me or not because we haven't discussed this -- perhaps the FMBS has grown much larger than it had to be and has made people less accountable, in a sense, because it was all centralized in one particular core group of people. The overall principle that I've operated on all my life is to empower people, give people the fiscal authority to make decisions. That's where we're heading.

In doing that -- and we've only started that the last year or so -- it's not without its bumps. It has its ups and downs because we've gone from doing this to doing this. In the process, there may be some glitches in it. However, overall, when I talk to people in the field, superintendents and others, there is an enthusiasm for the approach we're taking. There is some apprehension, as my colleague has pointed out, about the resources necessary. To be frank, we are saying to people that you have to do it within the existing resources which, on occasion, makes it difficult. We're examining those on a one-to-one basis.

When we talk about the accounting being complicated, I think that with all governments, the larger we get, the more difficult we tend to make it. I fundamentally come from the, as they say, KISS method -- that's "keep it simple, stupid." That's not meant as disrespect to anybody around this table, it just happens to be the way it's explained. We need to find a way to make things less complicated, more streamlined and more efficient. It's fair to say that we have to take some responsibility for making it cumbersome and, in many cases, duplicated. So, we're trying to work very quickly to try and correct that. But, again, we've been 12 months into this exercise and Mr. Voytilla and his staff have had a tremendous workload just trying to pull all the budgets together, meet some of the new political realities that we deal with in this House and develop a strategy to bring in a balanced budget. So it's been a long, hard year for them, and we're perhaps not as far along on that issue as we'd like to be. But certainly we are going to work aggressively there, empower people, put the responsibility where it belongs and, I think more importantly, put the spending authority where it belongs. That is sort of the intent of this direction that we're taking.

I believe Mr. Miltenberger mentioned the communications strategy. We're excited about that. We think the digital communications strategy that is currently out for RFP, and will close on July 29th, will put this country and the Northwest Territories onto the information highway. Hopefully, it will be a second-to-none, state-of-the-art system that comes forward. Whatever entrepreneurial or coalition of joint ventures or created partnerships, as I keep talking about, if that comes forward, we're excited and optimistic about that. That will bring about, as I said in my opening comments, distance health, distance education and, I believe -- and finally I've been convinced over the last 12 months --it will bring about significant savings on the expenditure side which is going through the roof; that's in the social envelope. So we are very optimistic about that.

When you are on the cutting edge of a new industry, it's not going to be ... You know, I can't predict how it's going to go, because we're on the cutting edge of the information highway, Mr. Chairman, and this project, if it all goes well and if we get the right kind of interest from the private sector, will put us in the national arena, where, as I said in my budget statement, we can have an elder from Clyde River sell his carvings to a buyer in Tokyo; where we can have a kid in school in Deline talking to kids in Ireland; where a nurse in Whale Cove can talk to the doctor with a machine and show the X-ray to a doctor in Montreal. So we are very excited about this. We don't know quite how it's going to unfold, but it certainly will, as I said, bring this territory and, of course, the two new territories into the 21 st century with a bang. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Before I recognize you again, Mr. Roland, I would like to welcome Mr. Picco back from Iqaluit...

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... and in order to do that, I must also welcome Mr. Todd and congratulate him on his safe return from Iqaluit. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. From your comments, I can take it, then, you are making a commitment to giving the departments and the communities more power to manage, as it should be. Can the Minister give me an idea of what he sees FMBS being, as things are more devolved to the departments and managers?

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

All my life, even when I was in government and when I was in the private sector, I have fundamentally believed that you have to put responsibility and management, et cetera, where the issues are, and this job gives me the unique opportunity to be able to do that. I see this, and I am almost -- I don't know if obsessed is the correct word -- but I certainly see it as a fundamental change in the way we do government. I think it is a cost-saving measure at the end of the day and I want to assure my colleague that this is going to be priority within the department. I suppose, if I had to envision my good friend, Mr. Voytilla, and his colleagues, three years from now, I would see them as a very small but very effective and influential secretariat. Thank you.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Todd. We are on general comments by the Members. Any further general comments? Can we move on to directorate?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Directorate

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The Chair Vince Steen

Operations and maintenance, page 2-26, total operations and maintenance, $21.009 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Human Resource Management

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Page 2-27, human resource management, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $14.731 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Government Accounting

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The Chair Vince Steen

Page 2-28. Government accounting, operations and maintenance, total operation and maintenance, $10.795 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Audit, Budgeting And Evaluation

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The Chair

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Page 2-29, audit, budgeting and evaluation, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $4.294 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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