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Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess that follows into the next question. Why are we retrofitting other schools within the Territories which have a much lower occupancy rate and are several years younger than some of the schools in my community? Some of the schools that are getting a retrofit even have a declining population.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The Minister of Education.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I am not sure which specific school the Member is referring to but, typically in the capital plan, the priorities were set with those projects which were under way, the planning was substantially complete or in the case of a project where a negotiated contract had been approved by the previous government, for instance, those ones carried on. Major construction projects which were under way were carried on. Then the first priority changed to become ... Let me go back to budgeting priorities. The first priority was to complete multi-year projects which were under way and then we went through a ranking of new capital projects. To rank a new capital project, the priorities were first for life, health and safety concerns; the second ranking came to those with space shortfalls; third was for those with program deficiencies; fourth for space upgrades; and, fifth, for building technical upgrades.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would be interested in a copy of that. Presently, the community of Yellowknife pays 25 per cent of the cost of education for the schools in Yellowknife. Other communities are paying an average of 2.5 per cent. What plans does the department have to bring other communities up to the level that Yellowknife is presently paying?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, taxation is always a complex issue. There has been, in the past, a study of property taxation and consideration of other alternatives for raising taxes in communities in the North. I have discussed with the Minister of Finance the situation where Yellowknife is treated significantly differently than other communities. It is something that working with the Minister of Finance and other Members of this House, we are going to have to take a look at over the next few years to ensure that people are satisfied that there is fairness and equity in the system. I don't have a short answer for the Member because it isn't the department's responsibility to raise taxes. That would be an overall government initiative, but the issue has been raised and is one we are going to have to look at over the next few years.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) (Microphone turned off) ... in previous years. Will a portion of the $40 million be used for creating Inuktitut curriculums?

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Minister, do you need clarification or are you going to attempt this?

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In response to Mr. Barnabas, I believe he is referring to the $39.8 million the federal government is offering over four years for training. My understanding is that those funds are available for training people to work in the bureaucracy of Nunavut. In terms of creating a curriculum, the department has already developed a curriculum called lnuuqatigiit, which is complete for kindergarten to grade 9 and in the process of being implemented for grades 10 to 12. That is something that is completely separate from the training fund. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) That's it, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I should remind myself that $40 million is not within the budget that we are considering. I should have corrected Members to try to refrain from mentioning the $40 million. That isn't within the budget of this government. General comments. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I noticed in the Minister's opening statement yesterday, a comment which I would like to make reference to that they are proposing greater reductions in headquarters and in administration support; reductions of approximately 15 per cent. Significant reductions in staff positions at headquarters will be required to meet this goal. Are these reductions already incorporated into the budget or are these being proposed in future?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The positions are incorporated in this budget.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister tell me how many staff reductions were involved at headquarters?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At headquarters, there were 25 person years reduced, 16 of which were vacant positions, four were term positions to March 31, 1996, only five people had to be laid off and two have already been redeployed within the department. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Any further general comments? Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I didn't have the information readily available earlier. The Minister has some additional help there. Mr. Erasmus wasn't helping me to get this ready. The Minister had informed us that there is approximately 300 available seats in Yellowknife. I also mentioned earlier that St. Patrick School is over 30 years old. I am looking at renovations to three schools in other community in the Territories. One community has a population of 385, another has 350 and between both of those communities, we are looking at spending $11 million. One of these schools has a 40 per cent utilization rate and the other one has a 38 per cent utilization. I am a little bit confused as to where the fairness is at here when, in Yellowknife, we pay 25 per cent of the school taxes to run the schools. I am just wondering where that fairness would come in. I am wondering about the principles the department has established for renovations when I look at the amounts of money that is being spent, plus the last time renovations were performed in these schools.

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The Chair John Ningark

Merci. Mr. Minister.