Thank you. Honourable Minister of Education.
Debates of May 7th, 1996
Topics
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair John Ningark
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The $2 million is all of the funding that's available for the entire Northwest Territories; so, yes, Yellowknife would be one of the places that the program may be offered. As to the specific locations where that type of training will be provided
this year, I do not believe that has been determined yet. As I mentioned in my response to Mr. Steen, the $2 million we have represents a reduction by two-thirds in the amount of funding that we had in the past fiscal year. We spent $6 million, between our money and the federal money, in the past year, providing this kind of program. So we are not going to be able to deliver nearly the amount of training that we did in the past year, and I doubt we will be able to meet the demand across the Northwest Territories. It's particularly frustrating for me, as Minister, to have to say that because we have all sorts of demonstrated success with this program. But I have been unable to convince the federal government -- and I have spoken to Mr. Young and Ms. Ethel Blondin-Andrew about the program and how well it has worked -- to come on board with it again. We just don't have any more money. So we will do our best to provide equity of access across the Northwest Territories, but all Members will have to recognize that the amount of money we have is insufficient to meet the demand across the Territories.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the Minister's predicament. I think we all realize we have to be able to do more with less. The Minister has identified $2 million, he's identified that it's two-thirds less than the amount we had last year. Is the Minister also telling me that it hasn't been identified where this money is going, which campuses and the amounts, at this stage?
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Mr. Chairman, as far as I'm aware, the locations for delivery of the programs have not been finalized, that is correct. The current Investing in People program continues on through August of this year, so we have some time in which to get this program going. The cost-shared program with the federal government did not start until September 1994, so for the full two years to take place, some of that funding is ongoing through August of this year.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Could then Minister identify how much money has been allocated for academic studies this year and if there have been reductions to amounts? I'm talking about postsecondary studies to help people with pre-employment such as trades.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Mr. Chairman, the colleges' contribution has been reduced; which means that there may be some impact on some programs within the college. I can't speak specifically as to whether that might involve the program that the Member refers to. However, in our reinvestment opportunities that we show in the budget, we have put in $300,000 for the building and learning strategy, for instance, which is a trades-based training program. We have identified $100,000 to assist the college to provide a pre-engineering/technology pilot program. We have identified $300,000 for mining training. We have identified $200,000 for a labour force plan to help ensure that our programming is being delivered in the proper areas and achieving the goals that we want to see it achieve.
I believe that we have demonstrated the commitment to adult training. Unfortunately, there has had to be some reduction in the base funding to the colleges. It's a simple matter of the target for the department being reduced.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think the chairman has been very, very lenient in allowing the discussion and the questions which, from my understanding, are supposed to be of a general nature. I believe that a lot of this could come later when we get into the program part. Unless we're going to go through a little bit of this today, clause by clause, I would suggest that we report progress and do clause by clause full speed ahead tomorrow.
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Erasmus, are you making a motion?
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Yes.
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The Chair John Ningark
There is a motion on the floor to report progress and the motion is not debatable. All those in favour of the motion? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
--- Carried
I will rise and report progress. I would like to thank the Minister and the witnesses for appearing before the committee. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The House will come back to order. Item 21, report of Committee of the Whole. Mr. Ningark.
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you committee has been considering Bill 11 and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with.
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Seconder for the motion. Mr. Steen. The motion is in order. To the motion.
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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An Hon. Member
Question.
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
--- Carried
Item 22, third reading of bills. Item 23, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker, there are meetings for tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. of the Standing Committee on Government Operations, at 10:00
a.m. of the Standing Committee on Resource Management, and at 12:00 p.m. of the Nunavut Caucus.
Orders of the day for Wednesday, May 8, 1996:
1. Prayer
2. Ministers' Statements
3. Members' Statements
4. Returns to Oral Questions
5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
6. Oral Questions
7. Written Questions
8. Returns to Written Questions
9. Replies to Opening Address
10. Replies to Budget Address
11. Petitions
12. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
13. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
14. Tabling of Documents
15. Notices of Motion
16. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills
17. Motions
18. First Reading of Bills
- Bill 13, Loan Authorization Act, 1996-97
19. Second Reading of Bills
20. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills
and Other Matters
- Bill 11, Appropriation Act, 1996-97
- Committee Report 1-13(3), Standing Committee on
Government Operations Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 2-13(3), Standing Committee on Infrastructure Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 3-13(3), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 4-13(3), Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
21. Report of Committee of the Whole
22. Third Reading of Bills
23. Orders of the Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Wednesday, May 8, 1996, at 1:30 p.m.
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