The Member for Iqaluit is seeking unanimous consent to extend question period. Do we have unanimous consent? There are nays. You do not have unanimous consent, Mr. Picco. I am sorry. Item 7, written questions. Mr. Picco.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my written question is for the Minister of Justice. What is the policy of the government in paying people who have to serve on jury duty, including government and other private employees? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you. Written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Mr. Roland.

Thank you. Petitions. Report of standing and special committees. Before we go to item 11, we will take a fifteen minute break.

-- Break

Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Erasmus.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Your Standing Committee on Government Operations has the honour of presenting its report on the proposed amalgamation of the NWT Housing Corporation and the Departments of Transportation and Public Works and Services, and commends it to the House.

In late November of 1996, the government tabled a discussion paper on the proposed amalgamation of the NWT Housing Corporation and the Departments of Transportation and Public Works and Services. This paper was initially debated in the Assembly in November.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations received a copy of the discussion paper and also received a briefing in January from the Minister responsible for the proposed amalgamation, the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, and his staff. This briefing was open to all Ordinary Members.

Members found it difficult to evaluate the specific details of the proposed amalgamation on the information available. The Minister indicated that potential organizational structure and potential cost implications were not available because the amalgamation was still at the proposal stage. In light of this, the Committee Members evaluated the proposal based on the objectives presented and the explanations provided by the Minister and his staff.

The Committee would like to thank the Minister, and his staff, who have put so much time and energy into developing the amalgamation proposal.

The Committee carefully considered the objectives for the amalgamation as presented by the Minister. Key among the objectives was to create a more efficient and effective government structure. Members agree that there may be opportunities for increased efficiency by amalgamating these departments. The efficiencies seem to primarily be in the areas of finance and policy. There were also potential cost savings in a reduction in the number of senior managers. It was stressed that potential savings prior to 1999 were limited.

The Minister also stressed that this amalgamation would reduce the overall amount of government. He stated the need to have a government structure which is in keeping with the people it provides. While the Committee understands this rationale, there is also the argument that there are unique circumstances in the NWT which may lead to other considerations when designing government.

In addition to considering the advantages of the proposed amalgamation, Committee Members raised other considerations.

Since 1991, the government has undergone numerous structural changes including amalgamations, privatization and decentralization. As well, I there has been a vigorous deficit management plan in place for the past year. These changes have caused major upheaval for staff. While many of the changes were necessary to accommodate the fiscal realities facing the GNWT, they have also caused uncertainty. With the necessary reductions in place to achieve a balanced budget, Committee Members believe that there is need to provide some stability to allow staff and the public to absorb and implement the many changes that have been introduced. This stability would also benefit the private sector which has been effected by decreased government and individual spending.

It was clear from the responses to the Department's consultation and the experience of Members in their home ridings that, while there is not strong opposition to this potential amalgamation, there is not strong support either. The one thing that is clear is that the public and staff would like to see disruption of current services kept to a minimum.

The Government House Leader has clearly indicated that the deficit management plan for 1997/98 is not dependent on this amalgamation. Although there may be some cost savings associated with the amalgamation, the government's ability to balance the budget will not be compromised if the amalgamation does not proceed. During his presentation in January, Minister Arlooktoo suggested that the reductions to these three departments would continue if the amalgamation did not happen. Members would appreciate confirmation from the Minister that he was referring to the reductions included in the 1997/98 business plans and main estimates.

One Member suggested the amalgamations seemed to be a case of tearing down a house when there was only a need to repair a few doors. There may be opportunities to reduce duplication among the three departments in terms of program operations. For example, there may be a way to coordinate the tendering process without needing to amalgamate. As well, with the many staff working on community empowerment, there should be a way to coordinate community level training. Members also felt there could be a way to coordinate the efforts of the staff working on community empowerment in each of these departments.

At the community level while there may be some duplication like two garages or maintenance shops, there already is a great deal of integration. With communities taking on additional programs, the opportunities to achieve efficiencies will occur in ways that communities want to see.

Another area the Committee considered was the initiatives and workload already facing the Assembly, the Cabinet and the staff. In the last year, the government has begun a number of initiatives which span most departments. These changes, such as income reform and user say/user pay, represent substantial changes in the way that government does its business. Added on top of these changes is the fast approaching reality of division. With only 800 days until the existing government ceases to exist, and two new territories are created, the government needs to focus its energies and resources in allowing as smooth a transition in 1999 as possible.

The Standing Committee's Recommendation

The Standing Committee on Government Operations understands that there are opportunities to possibly improve the efficiency of government operations and to achieve some cost savings from the proposed amalgamation. In the future, the new governments of Nunavut and the western territory may wish to consider such an amalgamation.

However, at this point the Committee believes that the efforts and resources of the Assembly, the Cabinet and government departments would be better spent focusing on the many other initiatives facing us over the next two years.

Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the Proposed Amalgamation of the NWT Housing Corporation and the Departments of Transportation and Public Works and Services be shelved for the life of the 13th Assembly. Mr. Speaker, that concludes the Standing Committee on Government Operations' Report on the Proposed Amalgamation of the NWT Housing Corporation and the Departments of Transportation and Public Works and Services.

I would, therefore, like to move, seconded by the honourable Member for Iqaluit that the report be received and moved into Committee of the Whole for consideration. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus, your motion is in order. To the motion. Question is being called. All those in favour. All those opposed. Motion is carried. Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Item 12, reports of committees on review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. O'Brien.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the Report of the Joint Working Group on the Business Incentive Policy, Tabled Document 20-13(4). Thank you.

Tabling of documents. Mr. Roland.

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Mr. O'Brien.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Thursday, January 23, 1997 I will move the following motion. Now, therefore, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta that Tabled Document 20-13(4) entitled Report of the Joint Working Group on Business Incentive Policy be moved into the Committee of the Whole for discussion. Thank you.

Thank you. Notices of motion. Item 15, notice of motion for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters. Item 20, report of Committee of the Whole. Item 21, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk. Item 22, orders of the day.

Mr. Speaker, the meeting of the Management Services Board immediately after adjournment which will be followed by a meeting of the Nunavut Caucus after adjournment today. Meetings for tomorrow morning, Wednesday, January 22 at 9:00 a.m. the Ordinary Members Caucus. At 10:30 a.m. of the Standing Committee on Social Programs and the Standing Committee on Resource Management. Orders of the day for January 22, 1997:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Oral Questions

7. Written Questions

8. Returns to Written Questions

9. Replies to Opening Address

10. Petitions

11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

13. Tabling of Documents

14. Notices of Motion

15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills

16. Motions

17. First Reading of Bills

18. Second Reading of Bills

19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

20. Report of Committee of the Whole

21. Third Reading of Bills

22. Orders of the Day

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Wednesday, January 22 at 1:30 p.m.

ADJOURNMENT