This is page numbers 141 - 156 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was water.

Loss Of Power Generation In Rae Lakes
Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you may have seen in Monday's edition of News/North, as well as heard on the radio, Rae Lakes suffered from having both of their large power generators stop working. By losing both generators within a day or two, this meant that the community had to rely on a third smaller one to provide power for the whole community. The community was restricted to their power usage and the Northwest Territories Power Corporation worked hard to find replacement parts and then repair the units. During the same period, Treaty 11 Council was scheduled to meet in Rae Lakes. This meeting was cancelled and relocated to Rae and all delegates were able to fly there and proceed with a very good informative week of meetings.

The end result was that very little, if any, damage was done due to the restricted power in Rae Lakes. Thanks to the hard work and dedication of the Power Corporation's staff, everything is back to normal again. At this time I would like to thank the Minister and his staff that worked hard to ensure no danger, suffering, or damage occurred during this crucial time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Loss Of Power Generation In Rae Lakes
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Search And Rescue Equipment For Adventure Tourists
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the strongest selling points for the NWT tourism is our miles of untamed wilderness. In small but growing numbers people are coming from around the world to experience our clean air and open spaces, from the challenge of the Nahanni to the splendour of the Pangnirtung Pass. Some come in organized tours and stick to the beaten path. We also attract many adventurers looking for a new challenge.

Most of the time, there are no problems, however, each year people get stuck in the bush and/or out on the land. They get lost, hit bad weather, or have trouble with their equipment. Eventually, most people are found and recover from their experience. But when people get into trouble on the land, there are costs associated with finding them. A single search and rescue can cost thousands of dollars. As more tourists come north, the potential liability for search and rescue will increase.

Recently, I noticed an ad for a gadget called a Stat Find 406. This is a pocket-sized personal locator beacon. It is designed to work in the arctic conditions and sends a strong signal for accurate position location. Mr. Speaker, as a service this government could make these locators available for tourists to rent. They could be provided through our parks operators or through local RCMP detachments where many tourists already file their travel plans.

For a small fee we could provide tourists with a bit of insurance against this possible trouble. This small expenditure would give individuals some peace of mind about their personal safety if problems do come up. It would make it easier for us to locate those who do not come back when they are expected to. More importantly, this little gadget could reap savings in human lives and in reduced search and rescue costs. The pocket locator is a little thing which could be set off and be of great benefit to tourists and government alike. I hope the capable staff of the RWED department will take a look at this type of innovation which can make the NWT a more attractive place for tourism. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Search And Rescue Equipment For Adventure Tourists
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.

Impact Of Misdiagnosed Eyeglass Prescriptions
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

I would like to make a statement on the state of eyecare in Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, a few years ago I got a prescription and a new pair of glasses here in Yellowknife. Soon after that when I started reading, after about five or ten minutes I started getting headaches. At this time, I was in school in Saskatoon. I had all kinds of specialists there, and I was getting all kinds of tests done. And luckily enough, since I was status, the federal government was paying for it, otherwise the territorial government would have had a huge bill. The long and the short of it is, finally I got a new pair of glasses and, low and behold, I could read again without getting headaches.

Last year, at this time I got a new pair of glasses. I was here this time and I started getting dizzy as soon as I looked down or looked sideways and things like that. I thought it was because my eyes were changing, you know when you have to hold your paper like this. A couple months later, I broke my glasses and told the optometrist this, so he checked out my prescription on his little machine there, and checked it with the one from my old pair of glasses, which I had to wear because I was getting my glasses fixed. What he told me was that I had better go to the ophthalmologist right away, because I had a stigmatism or something in my eye and my new prescription changed it so instead of looking this way, I was looking sideways, which was what was making me dizzy. Sure enough I went back, got my eyes checked again, and I had to get a new right lens because it was the wrong diagnosis.

We were discussing it upstairs and there are a couple of other Yellowknife MLAs who had similar problems. One of them had such a bad problem, not this time, but the previous time, that he was getting worried about going back to the ophthalmologist here. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Impact Of Misdiagnosed Eyeglass Prescriptions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus, you have unanimous consent.

Impact Of Misdiagnosed Eyeglass Prescriptions
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I personally know an elder who was misdiagnosed. We know that she was misdiagnosed because she was told here that there was no hope for her eye sight, that she would have to slowly go blind. When she was down south for something, I think she went to Lac St. Anne, or something, she was in Edmonton, so she stopped in and saw a doctor and she got a pair of glasses. Lo and behold she could see. We are not talking miracles here, Mr. Speaker. This elder now refuses to go to the ophthalmologist here. Her children have to pay to send her down south to get her eyes checked.

Another person I know quite well, got three pairs of glasses here because each successive pair of glasses did not work properly. He thought he had to have corrective surgery, this new laser thing, you know. He was kind of worried about that so he thought he would try one last thing. He went to the West Edmonton Mall, and saw the ophthalmologist there. In an hour and half, he had his eyes checked, he had a new pair of glasses and he has had no problems ever since.

Mr. Speaker, talking to other people, I have heard a lot of other complaints, which I will not talk about here. I do not think that the people of the Northwest Territories should be afraid to go get their eyes checked here and get a pair of glasses, and not have to go down south to get glasses. Something should be done about this.

I am also asking if there are other people out there who have had similar problems, their own personal problems -- I do not want to hear about rumours -- would you please contact me. My phone number is 669-2295, and talk to Vi. Thank you.

Impact Of Misdiagnosed Eyeglass Prescriptions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Members' statements. Are there any further Members' statements? Mrs. Groenewegen.

Confidentiality Of Budget Related Documents
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak on a subject that is very, very secretive. That is the issue of confidentiality. As Members of this House, we are admonished to respect the sacred trust placed on us by being involved in the business plans and participating in budget preparations. Is it okay to say budget, Mr. Speaker?

Mr. Speaker, it has occurred to me recently that many people are party to this highly confidential information. People such as mayors, municipalities who are consulted about capital plans, capital budgets, contracts which are placed in newspapers subject to budget approval, prior to the budget even being released. We have our Minister of Health and Social Services on CBC Northbeat talking about the closure of a facility subject to a budget that has not been released yet.

I just wanted to bring this issue of confidentiality up today, and report to our constituents that we are bound by confidentiality as MLAs. However, you might hear much more than you would be able to get from us, because we respect this, by talking to just about anybody in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

-- Applause

Confidentiality Of Budget Related Documents
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize at this time Chief Morris Blake of the Tsiigehtchic Charter Community and also his CEO Brian Kelly.

-- Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland.

Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services. In my Member's Statement, I have stated I am concerned with the proposed closure of Delta House. I would like to ask the Minister, what numbers he used to base the closure of a facility on? When we look at cost of alcohol and drug dollars to all the facilities in the Northwest Territories and a savings at the end of the day when it comes to health care dollars. Right now we spend, I am not sure exactly of the amount we spend on it, but for every dollar we spend, and research has stated, we save $2 to $10 in health care dollars. I would like to know what the Minister thinks when we are reducing funding to alcohol and drug, are we truly going to save money at the end of the day? Thank you.

Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng.

Return To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the savings in this case will be from the anticipated savings from the financing that we give to Delta House as it stands at this time. There would be incremental costs as a result of possible additional travel costs to other residential treatment facilities if clients were to choose facilities outside of the Inuvik area, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Return To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Supplementary To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the decision put forward as the proposed closure of Delta House, was the cost of treatment looked at in comparison to the savings that would be done, or otherwise saved, by helping people to be less dependent on the system when they become ill and so on? For every dollar, we spend, we save money when it comes to health care costs. So, the closure of a facility reduces the amount of treatment available. Did the department look at savings there, or impacted savings, for the long term? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng.

Further Return To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, we did not look at that because of the fact that we were not eliminating the availability of treatment that would result from the Delta House closure because of the fact that we would still provide treatment, as I indicated earlier, for residential type of treatment if it was required in other facilities which we finance. We would still provide treatment and programming, whether at the local or regional level, through some of the funding that

would still be going into communities in the Inuvik region, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Supplementary To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When you look at savings, that is what we are trying to do. In the budget reduction area, research states that we save a lot of money when it comes to the affected families that go through treatment and receive help, four times the average family that is affected by alcohol. Could the Minister tell me, when it comes to the proposed closure of Delta House, what kind of time-line are we looking at when it comes to people trying to access treatment? Will there be waiting periods? Has that been looked at? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng.

Further Return To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that was a factor in the overall review of some of the alcohol and drug reform initiatives that we are going under currently. We do not anticipate, initially, that the 12 beds that will be unavailable as a result of the Delta House closure, that there will be significant backlog created from that because of the fact there are empty spaces available currently in the other residential treatment facilities, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Final Supplementary To Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Question 77-13(4): Concerns With Proposed Closure Of Delta House
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the topic of the waiting period. As a result of the closure of any facility, could the Minister inform me that once the facility is closed, is there available space to take up the demand for space as of April, if this goes ahead? Thank you.