This is page numbers 251 - 279 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was budget.

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Samuel Gargan, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable John Todd, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Mrs. Jane Groenewegen, Honourable Don Morin.

Oh God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Before we get into orders of the day, I would like to recognize Dave Keenan. Dave is the Minister of Municipal and Transportation Services for the Yukon government. Welcome to the Assembly.

-- Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

And also, congratulation on your election. Orders of the day. Item 2: Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I wish to speak today about an initiative that is very important to all northerners, the protection and management of our wildlife, particularly species at risk. Over the years initiatives to improve conservation of endangered species have been undertaken on a cooperative basis involving all provincial and territorial jurisdictions and the federal government. This commitment of all jurisdictions is demonstrated by the National Accord for the Conservation of Species at Risk, which was agreed to by all wildlife Ministers from all jurisdictions at Charlottetown last October.

We all are committed to a national approach for the protection of species at risk to prevent these species from becoming extinct as a consequence of human activity. We agreed to participate in the Canadian Species Conservation Council to co-ordinate our activities. And we agreed to establish complimentary legislation and programs that provide effective protection of species at risk.

The federal government has placed before the House of Commons the Canada Endangered Species Protection Act. We are supportive of the principles underlying this Act, but the Act itself does not reflect the approach that we agreed to as Ministers in Charlottetown.

Section 3 of the proposed legislation states that the federal government will assume management responsibility for those species in the Northwest Territories and Yukon, as designated by the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada, as extirpated, endangered, threatened, or vulnerable.

This means that in the Northwest Territories, the federal government will take back the authority for management programs for polar bears, wood bison, three populations of Peary caribou, grizzly bears, and wolverine.

Over the years and through extensive consultation and cooperation, this government and the people of the Northwest Territories have developed and implemented wildlife management and protection programs for these species, and these programs have achieved great success and have earned international acclaim.

Management and recovery programs for species at risk are an integral part of a multimillion dollar wildlife management program here in the north.

Between one and two million dollars annually is spent on research directly related to the species under discussion. The Government of the Northwest Territories also supports these programs through extensive physical and administrative infrastructure that has taken over 30 years to establish. In addition to government resources in Yellowknife, buildings, vehicles, equipment and staff, all are dedicated to protecting and managing wildlife, and these are found in all communities across the Northwest Territories.

Aboriginal northerners have always had a special relationship with wildlife. Wildlife has meant our survival. The value we place on traditional knowledge and local involvement has resulted in a system of community and regional Wildlife Management Boards. The boards are composed of people whose future depends on adequate resources. We have developed trust and respect for one another and that has contributed substantially to the success of the programs that we have implemented and developed together. People have the local knowledge and are supported by some of the most capable scientists in the world.

I will be leaving for Edmonton to make a presentation to the Standing Committee on the Environment and Sustainable Development. It is my intention to place before them our record of achievement in the protection of endangered species. I will tell them that we are supportive of the principles upon which the bill is based but that amendments are required for the best interest of our species at risk. I will recommend that the legislation be amended in the spirit of the accord that was agreed to by wildlife Ministers in Charlottetown. The federal government should be involved with the provinces and territories in setting national standards. I welcome federal expertise and especially their money to the table. But, I will recommend that the people of the Northwest Territories remain foremost the primary managers of endangered, threatened and vulnerable species. Thank you.

-- Applause

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.

Muskox Quotas
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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Having visited the communities of Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak, talked to the people of both communities, and also in Pelly Bay, the hunters and trappers organization in the three communities have indicated to me, requesting the increase of muskox tags shared by the three communities. According to my information, Mr. Speaker, the current quota for muskox is 40 tags. The request of ORAY is 55 muskox tags, according to my understanding Mr. Speaker. In May, 1996 Kitikmeot Hunters and Trappers Association made a motion in support of an increase for the three communities. In May, 1998 Nunavut Wildlife Board made a motion in support of the request. In July, 1996 the legislation change proposed was sent from the region to headquarters here in Yellowknife. According also to my understanding, Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice has indicated the change of status of the quota will come into effect, or be enacted in early January, 1997. Later on, at the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will ask the Minister of Renewable Resources of the status of the request. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to join my honourable colleague, the Member for Hay River, in condemning the government's failure to restore full funding for the Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program. As my colleague pointed out yesterday, Cabinet has received a clear statement of support for this program. The public wants it back. The Members of our Social Services Committee have shown us how to pay for it. What more needs to be said?

Mr. Speaker, last fall I attended a meeting sponsored by the City of Yellowknife that dealt with the problems seniors face in my community. About 30 people showed up. They talked about safety, housing, recreation, and shrinking government programs. I left the meeting with a troublesome thought. The seniors said politicians have been playing a game of bluff. At all levels of government, elected representatives make motherhood statements acknowledging the contribution seniors make to our communities. The seniors feel that the same leaders cut or clawback support programs when budget time rolls around. This is a double standard. In my community, it will eventually drive seniors to places where the cost of living is less of a burden. I am glad that the government is launching a review of services offered to seniors. This project should be completed as quickly as possible. We need a clear cut policy on the support that we will give to our elders. Our current piecemeal approach is confusing and frustrating. I fear that it will push away the people we are trying to help.

Mr. Speaker, the seniors in my community acknowledge the governments fiscal problems. They are prepared to contribute to balancing the budget, but we cannot expect them to accept an uncoordinated, rejigging of support programs. We owe it to seniors to develop a clear cut policy that will be applied fairly and in consultation with them and communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

Old Crow School Fire
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with regret that I bring bad news in regards to the loss to the community of Old Crow in the Yukon, where a fire destroyed their education centre yesterday. Mr. Speaker, the following letter was sent to Chief Randall Tetlichi of the Vuntut Gwich'in First Nation in Old Crow yesterday by Chief William Coe of Fort McPherson after the news came that the Old Crow school was being destroyed by fire.

"It is with regret that we bear news from over the mountains that the education centre in the Vinti Gwich'in is burning. We understand the sense of loss in their community having gone through a similar experience, less than a year ago in Fort McPherson. The only advice we can offer, turn to do things and work together to resolve your differences, it can limit the effect that it will have and continue education for your children. If there is anything that we can do, let us know without hesitation. If there is one thing that the Gwich'in are known for, it is their ability to lend a helping hand in times of need."

That is from the Chief in Fort McPherson. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Literacy Golf Tournament
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before Christmas, I had written to Mr. Peter Gzowski about coming to Iqaluit to attend the annual literacy golf tournament. Peter is no longer able to participate in every tournament, but he just announced that he will be attending the tournament in Iqaluit, the week of April 21st, 1997. That is good news, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not only will Mr. Gzowski compete in the tournament, but he will be bringing his Morningside production staff in order to do a remote, live broadcast from Iqaluit. As well, Peter will be accompanied by the film crew from the TV program, Life and Times, who will film Peter as part of a television biography on Mr. Gzowski's life. Other celebrities confirmed for the tournament include well-known actor, singer and star of North of 60, Tom Jackson, Mr. Ernie Coombs, better known as Mr. Dressup, and Nunavut's own children's author, Mr. Michael Kusugak. Michael is also the president of the NWT Literacy Council.

Mr. Speaker, I believe it was in 1990, when we had the first literacy golf tournament in the Northwest Territories here in Yellowknife. That spring, as I caddied around Frame Lake for Ken Dryden and singer Valdy, we never anticipated that the tournament would continue and become more popular every year. The funds generated go to promote literacy and literacy projects in the Northwest Territories.

I should give a little history on how Mr. Gzowski was strong-armed into holding a tournament for literacy in the Northwest Territories. During a regular flight from Iqaluit to Clyde River, Dorothy Kuminapik, at that time the adult educator in Clyde, just happened to be sitting next to Mr. Gzowski on the flight. She questioned Peter as to when he was going to have a golf tournament in the north for literacy. As a result, our first tournament, as I mentioned, occurred the following year, here in Yellowknife on Frame Lake. Dorothy is now living in Iqaluit and will be the poet laureate of the tournament.

Mr. Speaker, it was at that time we started the Northwest Territories Literacy Council. I was one of the first paid members and vice-president. Through the years, the members of the Council have changed, but one constant, in particular, has remained. That constant is the hard work and dedication of Miss Lynn Fogwill of Yellowknife. Lynn has been one of the major driving forces every year in arranging the logistics and promotion of these tournaments.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Iqaluit is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That was the first time since November of 1995 that I sought unanimous consent. I appreciate it. Thank you, fans, thank you.

Mr. Speaker, in continuing my statement, the work of Lynn Fogwill, a resident of Yellowknife, has to be acknowledged, and the work she has done with the NWT Literacy Council. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank her for her tremendous work over the past several years. Mr. Gzowski's golf tournaments have raised over $4 million for literacy to date, and of that, $297,103 in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Peter Gzowski has many good friends in Iqaluit, like long-time CBC radio personality, Mr. Jonah Kelly, and the one and only, Abe Okpik. The Discovery Lodge, in Iqaluit, has generously agreed to be corporate sponsor and will be donating complimentary rooms for the visiting celebrities. As well, First Air has been very generous in providing air passes for the celebrities to fly from Ottawa to Iqaluit. As in the past, NWT Air continues to be the major sponsor of the tournament in the Yukon and the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to officially invite you, the Premier and the Members of the Assembly, to come to Iqaluit and participate in this important fund-raiser for literacy in the Northwest Territories. As a footnote, one of the major organizers of the tournament in Iqaluit is one of our greatest advocates for literacy, our regional librarian, Miss Yvonne Earle, who has been issued a lay-off notice, and I will be questioning the Minister of Education later today on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq.

Physical Handicaps
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good evening. Hello MLAs. I would like to speak today on people who have physical handicaps. Many Inuit in our area have physical handicaps and some are born already with a handicap. Also some are blind and some are paraplegic. Even some people who are born healthy, because of disease acquire a handicap of some sort. In support of the people who are handicapped, this particular government has not supported the handicapped people in the Northwest Territories. I would like to see, in the future, that this government will provide a support system for the handicapped people in the Northwest Territories. In the Northwest Territories, we will see some people who cannot walk and some people who are blind and other handicaps. When we see the housing conditions for people who are handicapped are not customized particularly for that person who has a handicap. For that reason, today, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking questions to the government for particulars on programs that deal with handicapped people in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

Physical Handicaps
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Coastguard Icebreakers
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) Mr. Speaker, a situation has come up, one that will directly affect communities in both western and eastern Arctic. As I understand it, Mr. Speaker, the coastguard plans to cut costs by eliminating its one and only icebreaker in the western Arctic. They plan to have one of the remaining icebreakers from the eastern Arctic provide services whenever it is necessary. This plan looked good on paper, Mr. Speaker, but I am very concerned about the effect it will have on remote communities and on sealift operations. Remote communities throughout the Arctic rely heavily on icebreaking services. Without these services, I feel that sealift operations will certainly be at risk. It was only last year, Mr. Speaker, that one sealift operation required the services of both western and eastern icebreakers. Without such services, sealift operations would not have been possible, and the cost of living would have sky-rocketed. As I said, Mr. Speaker, I am very concerned with this plan. I urge the Minister to take immediate action on this issue and I will be questioning him at an appropriate time today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Coastguard Icebreakers
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Nwt's Exploding Birthrate
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to briefly address an issue that is of fundamental concern to all the people in the Northwest Territories. That is the issue of our exploding birthrate.

As we start this budget process, those that look at the documentation will see that the total percentage of the overall budget that is consumed by the social envelope of health, social services, justice, housing and education, continues to expand. It is very clear, to those who look at the information, that one of the big drivers to those exploding costs, which we anticipate or project as an annual $40 million in terms of extra forced growth, is our exploding birthrate.

Mr. Speaker, we have been consumed with the budget and deficit reduction and we are soon to turn our attention, with equal focus and intensity, to division. However, we cannot forget the obligations we have on the social side. Unless we attempt to start to deal with some of the underlying issues that are driving the cost of this government, we are doomed, in this territory, and the two new territories, to endless rounds of repeated cuts, as we attempt to deal with social costs that we cannot control, with increasingly limited revenues.

Mr. Speaker, this is not just the responsibility of this Assembly. This is the responsibility of every person, every community in the Northwest Territories. No one individual has an answer to this, but it is a situation that cannot be ignored and, maybe by starting to work together to address some of these sensitive but critical issues, we can come up with a way to try to deal with this particular issue. To not do that is folly, and is something that we cannot afford. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements. Mr. Roland.

Dempster Highway
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, colleagues. The community of Inuvik is continuing to be impacted by this government's decisions in the area of budget reductions. We in Inuvik and the Inuvik Region, are also impacted by other governments in the decisions that they make. For example, Mr. Speaker, last winter in Inuvik, we first heard the news of the Yukon government's discussions on the Dempster Highway in trying to control their costs. It raised a lot of concern in Inuvik and the surrounding area and communities, because the cost of goods in Inuvik rise dramatically when the Dempster Highway is closed, for whatever conditions. We have two seasons right now when the Dempster Highway closes on an annual basis, when the ferries are pulled out and freeze-up starts to occur and when they are put back in.

Mr. Speaker, as a community, we have raised this issue with our Minister of Transportation, and he was good enough to visit us in Inuvik and meet with the people and hear their concerns on the Dempster Highway issue, as well as other highways that we were hoping to see in our lifetime.

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to say that the Minister has gone a long way since our discussion, and has discussed and had a meeting with the government representatives from the Yukon. I think the people of Inuvik would be happy to hear that we are not looking at the very serious impacts that were first discussed, as a total closure of the Dempster Highway for long periods. I think that as the news is let out on the meeting, the people of Inuvik will be somewhat relieved at what is being discussed today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is always interesting to read our local Yellowknife newspapers. Some times I like what I read; other times I just have to shake my head. Recently, there was an editorial which I agreed with wholeheartedly. The writer suggested that it was time that Yellowknifers stopped relying on government for our answers and started to get involved and demand answers of our own. It is true that Yellowknife has been hit hard, very hard in the two years of the government deficit management plan. However, we cannot let these cuts defeat us. Yellowknife was built by a collective of independent, hard-working people. They pulled together as a community and created the vibrant city that I am proud to represent, along with my three Yellowknife colleagues. The City has taken a blow and is limping a bit. We are down but certainly not out. I agree with the editorial, which says that we cannot afford to sit back, and I quote, "Yellowknifers need to get involved. If you don't like what is happening in the city, speak to your MLA."

We need your support, Mr. Speaker, to continue pushing this government to treat Yellowknife fairly and equitably. We need to keep reminding the government that Yellowknife residents are the major contributors to the NWT economy, through our businesses and our taxes. As the MLA for Yellowknife South, I look forward to hearing from Yellowknifers, both with their concerns and with their ideas for how we can make things better.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that many Yellowknife residents will pick up a copy of the budget and give me some feedback, from their perspective, on this document, so that I can represent their concerns better in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.