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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question relates to the whole process of the Northern Accord in regard to the obligation that this government has not only to the residents of the Northwest Territories, but also to the individual claims organizations that have completed land claim agreements with a section which was left open to ensure that benefit agreements, in regard to aboriginal subsurface benefit agreements on settlement lands will be entrenched into the Northern Accord, also, in regard to the whole idea of royalties which will be transferred from the federal government to the Government of the Northwest Territories and also to the aboriginal groups.

So my question to the Premier is, is that this item was a priority of this government yet it seems as if it has come to a complete standstill, yet I think it is a critical enough item that we have to conclude it. We have a commitment to certain organizations which fall within the land claims agreements and also there is a fiduciary responsibility under those agreements to this government to conclude those negotiations with the federal government and with the aboriginal organizations that do have them. I would like to ask the Premier what is going to be done in relation to those organizations to ensure that those agreements are concluded and also those claims obligations are fulfilled? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The federal government has a commitment to follow up on their commitments as they have signed off in the claims processes, so as part of those talks they will continue as well as ourselves will continue to consult with the aboriginal organizations to identify their interests regarding devolution. The whole issue of devolution is on the transfer of powers and programs of responsibilities of the federal government. It is a key element in overall completion of the agenda of responsible government and political control of natural resources through the GNWT which must provide for both protection of aboriginal rights and a meaningful role for aboriginal organizations. In that devolution process, Mr. Krutko, I have also written to the Prime Minister on the whole issue of responsible government and political development of the responsible government in the Northwest Territories, and we are presently, through the Minister of RWED, talking to the Minister responsible for Indian Affairs, Jane Stewart, in Ottawa on this whole issue. Aboriginal organizations will have to come to realize, those that do not want to move ahead on this issue, that the pie is only so big, it is not going to get a lot bigger, and we had better look at solving our own problems in the north, making the decisions in the north and getting control of northern resources. We have lived through this last process that we just went through, with the development of a diamond project north of here where some bureaucrat in Ottawa makes the decisions, I think that time should be long gone, and we should work together to move those things to the north. Thanks.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Question number six, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My next question deals with economic development and stimulating the local and regional economy of certain areas and certain regions who presently are in a down turn. I would like to ask the Premier in regard to economic development programs and services that presently do not or have not been exploited to its fullest, especially the Mackenzie Delta, where they have a lot of potential especially regarding the renewable resource sector, in regard to commercial fishing, hunting, the trapping industry and also looking at creating home businesses for home entrepreneurs to look at the possibility of developing small businesses around the renewable resource sector. There is that potential. There is also the potential for tourism, but at the present time we do not have the opportunity of a diamond mine, the oil and gas sector is down, yet our unemployment statistics continue to rise.

I think it is critical for this government to seriously look at finding long-term initiatives such as economic development especially in areas where there is potential in the area like the renewable resource sector, fishing, trapping, hunting, tourism. We have to structure our programs and services to assist, not assist in terms of a grant where you go out and buy a snowmobile or a motor, but develop it so it is a long-term investment to assist entrepreneurs not just to go out, set a net, come home with a bunch of fish, put it in your freezer and sell it to someone, but that you are able to market that industry so that individual knows at the end of the day that there are people out there who will buy his product, that you market the product and you also assist the individual to market his industry to eventually be independent. I think it is critical for this government, now that we no longer have to deal with the large deficit that we did have to deal with two years ago. I think it is now time that we turned the economic wagon that we are in around and start assisting the communities, the people in those communities where we have high unemployment statistics. So I feel it is critical to this government, and as Premier, that an effort be made to ensure people in the communities, people we represent, that we are going to assist the little entrepreneur out there and not just big business. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Premier, would you like to respond?

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to hear the Member's remarks because his story is no different than many stories around this room. In the many different regions, it is very important that we work with our people in the communities, and we are committed to moving on and doing that. We have been through the process already of balancing our budget, we have done that, now we move ahead. Now we have to work with our people to create opportunity for a better economy in the north. We are going to do that through the

Minister of RWED also with the help of our capable staff and as well Members of this Legislative Assembly will also have to get involved in this whole issue and encourage their people to come out and work through community workshops because it is the community that has to drive it. Our government's job is to assist them, it is the community that has to drive it, and the people in the community come out with ideas, come to the workshops, come to the community economic development workshops where we can develop economic initiatives with the community. Then we will be moving in there with our development corporation as well to assist them in level 2 and 3 communities, and hopefully from this we will generate intercommunity trade and a new economy without renewable resources throughout the north. I know from visiting David's area as well as the Tuktoyaktuk area last week that there is great opportunity up there. There are a lot of things that people have and we have to work with those people to develop them, and we are willing to do that. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko, question number seven.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My next question deals with the whole idea of community empowerment and allowing communities to take on initiatives in regard to the economic development and well-being of the communities. We have allowed communities to take on certain projects, but one thing that I find, especially in my riding, is the lack of resources that are given to those communities to ensure that whoever in the community is going to take on these projects or deliver them on behalf of this government, the resources are not there to help them do an adequate job. In most times it is half-time positions, but the demand on those individuals is high and yet the communities take on the responsibility for programs without realizing the resources that they need in regard to the human resource sector, the salaries and benefits that come along with these positions and also the money to administer a lot of these programs is not attached to these specific programs that are taken on by those communities.

So I think there has to be more effort made to ensure that we do not set up the communities to fail. I believe what has happened in regard to a lot of communities that have seen this thing as a great idea, but after taking them on they realize that the aspirations of people in the communities either cannot be fulfilled because they do not have the adequate resources or the training to fill those positions to ensure that the program of the service they are delivering is sufficed in relation to having resources that go along with those positions. I think they have to ensure that when we allow community empowerment to take place in the different ridings we do it in such a way that you look at it like any agreement where it is a long-term implementation phase so that it is phased in over five or ten years. You do not just give them a bunch of money for a year or two and say we are going to assist you and make you better, and when they fail they usually fall in regard to my riding and my region. Part of the problems that originate from the Aklavik Indian Band is a lot of these programs that we devolved to that community were devolved to the band and that was one of the areas that they have seen is that the resources to hire these people on a full-time basis, but only receiving a half-time salary put them in a hole. I do not think we want to see that happen to any other communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Premier, would you like to respond?

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Nobody said that the road would be easy when we set out on community empowerment. I remember it was a battle many years ago for our people to take over garbage and sewer, just the ability to deliver and pick up, deliver water, pick up your own garbage, but people have grown and people are taking up the challenge. Our job as a government is to work with them and assist them. We have to make sure that communities are assessed properly, that the communities have proper training and it is a long range thing. If community empowerment, once the community has it, they should be moving on with it. Hopefully where there are problems we deal with it on a community by community basis and try to help solve those problems and move on. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The final question Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My final question to the Premier is, there are a lot of times and a lot of cases in this House we ask questions in regard to health and well-being of the residents of the Northwest Territories, problems with our water, problems with our education systems, problems with our infrastructure and it is awfully hard to continue to take no for an answer, especially in relation to issues that I have raised and especially issues I feel are critical that we consider them in regard to the health of the people we represent. Not in relation to alcohol and drug programs or treatment programs where the medical services that we get in our communities, but also in regard to territorial programs such as the mammogram program I mentioned a couple of days ago, in which that initiative was a $60,000 item.

I felt that item probably could have been dealt with through petty cash. I thought there was a petty cash fund around that we could probably dig into. But I think as Premier and as leader of the Members of the Cabinet and our leader as the Premier of this House, I believe that you have to take a more active role in using common sense when it comes to items that are sensitive especially to people in our ridings that feel that their issues or items are important enough that they are passed through ourselves through petitions, where they make an effort to put their name on a petition; and where they call concerning issues in regards to health, medical services and especially health care, that we have to do more than just passing the buck in this House and trying to hand it off to health boards and to the responsibility that it is not the federal government's responsibility it its someone else's. I think we have to streamline this government to ensure that all aspects and all items that are discussed in this House are taken seriously.

So I ask you as the Premier and the leader of this government that an effort is made that you, through your leadership, will ensure that all questions and concerns are taken seriously or that you find an avenue to ensure that there are avenues there that will assist not only ourselves as Members because we ask the questions, but the members that we represent, hear an answer to their questions that we ask on their behalf. An answer that basically is not a flat "no" or stating that "oh it is someone else's responsibility", but we have to put a face at the end of each one of our questions and put a face of a person in a community that is suffering from alcoholism, is suffering because they were not properly treated through our health care system, through medical reasons; but also put a face on this government to show whether we care in regard to what is being said in this House and how it is being said and that it is dealt with. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Many things have changed over the past ten years I have been here, for sure things have changed. I can remember in the past, in my riding, every time somebody's washroom did not work, they phoned me and every time they had a problem, they would phone me as MLA. It has evolved over the years to where they are phoning the Housing Authority because they are making the decisions at the community level. Some people do not understand when they ask you for help to fix their house or whatever that the money has been transferred to the community. The community has the say. That does not mean we are giving up our responsibility, what that means is, we have empowered the community, the community itself is making the decisions.

In listening with great interest and wherever possible, Mr. Krutko, questions asked in this House are taken seriously. As long as people ask questions and show mutual respect, then it is taken seriously. We know that constituents ask you to ask those questions. I have been over there before. I have been there for four years. I know what drives the process. But also, we have to recognize over the period of time that community governments, regional organizations evolved. You raised the issue of the machine that you would like for different regions. I talked to the Minister about it and he says well maybe those regions would prefer to just buy an x-ray machine, they need that more importantly at this time. It is not a money issue. It is an issue of empowerment to the regions. They should know in the regions what their constituents want and what their highest priorities are. It is the same I guess, you could say to some constituents well, why did Joe Blow get a house before me? That is community empowerment. The community made the decision. They felt he was in more need than you.

It is a tough issue because through community empowerment, through delegation of authority, yes, MLAs are going to have less say, but that is evolving government. So, I do not know what else I could say to that. But when you asked the question, David, on those health questions, we have been listening and we take those questions seriously. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. When I made the opening remarks earlier today, I indicated to all Members, at least all Members who were here that we would try to go half way today, but I have indicated to Members we were to complete these four Ministers out of eight. The way we are moving now, we should be able to complete four of the eight Ministers by 9:00 a.m. I would like to say something to the Ordinary Members that the longer you preamble, the longer your question is, you are going to deprive yourself of more potential questions because we are going to conclude tomorrow. Keep that in mind. I would also like to remind the Ministers that when you respond to questions, be clear and direct and concise. I will soon ask Members for direction. How long would you like to go on? Until midnight or morning? The way we are moving now, I may as well seek direction from the Members. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would encourage you to exercise your prerogative as Chairman and have no more than a minute to ask the question to the Minister. I think that will speed the process along. Secondly, I would ask you if you have the authority to potentially dismiss the Pages for the evening. These are school children, and I think we can sit here a little longer than they can. If you have that authority, I would encourage you to allow them to go home.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I am now seeking consent from the Members of the committee that should we let the Pages go now, or should we let them go at 10:00 p.m.?

What is the wish of the committee?

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Some Hon. Members

Now.

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The Chair John Ningark

Madam Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Mr. Chairman, thank you. I think we should give them the option of whether they want to go or not. If they feel they need to go, I think we should let them go. If they want to stay and make a little overtime that would be great.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I am getting two signals. One, is at the discretion of the Pages, whether to go or to stay. Another honourable Member indicated that we should let them go now. What is the wish of the committee? Thank you. I am informed by the Clerk, the arrangement has been made with the parents of the Pages that they will stay until 10:45 p.m. The parents were made aware. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to our process from here, I recommend that we continue, if we are finished with the Premier, and we carry on with the next Minister on the list, Mr. Ng.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Steen is next on the list. Thank you, I have been informed that if Members want to eat, there will be some snacks in the Member's Lounge in a half an hour. So, we will carry on until someone makes a motion to report progress and so on, but again I will try and exercise my power as chairperson, but I will get somebody else to chair in a little while. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my questions are based on some degree of my statement, earlier today. My first question is in regard to the priorities of this government. Specifically, I am concerned that this particular Legislative Assembly is spending so much time on political issues which no doubt are important, such as division and development of a new constitution for the west are two items and now we have another item, which is national unity. I am getting concerned that we have so many political issues that we are losing sight of our economical development issues. I wonder if the Premier could perhaps give direction as to how does this government plan to address this economic development issues at the same time or with the same priority as they would political issues? Thank you.