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Committee Motion 53-13(4): To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ningark makes a good point and that is the people that are also very much affected by this motion are the people of Whale Cove. I do not have any indication of what their feeling is but if we use common sense and if you look at the map, what do you think? If their MLA is from Arviat then the MLA would be less than 100 kilometres away and in line and in direct transportation link to the community. In fact, if they are paired up with Arviat, they will now be paired up with another community with a lesser population than what they are paired up with now which is Rankin Inlet. So therefore, you could just make the deduction and say that perhaps as far as time with the MLA goes that if you look at per capita for the MLA they would likely get some more attention. Not to say that they are not getting any attention now.

In closing I will not touch again on what I talked about earlier. I wanted to comment on the representation by population that the MLA from Kivallivik had talked about and that is there are indications in the report that was a consideration. But certainly it is not the only consideration that the commission looked into. In their terms of reference, we the Legislative Assembly, told them to also look at the rate of growth of the population, the accessibility, any special community diversity of interest of inhabitants of any part of Nunavut or any other similar or relevant factors the commission considers appropriate.

There are a whole bunch of things that you could throw in there. But if you just compare what the current NWT does and that is in many of the national forums whether it is Premiers' conferences or Ministers' conferences, we now have a seat at many of these tables and Mr. Ng will be going to the Social Services Ministers meeting in Newfoundland next week. We are invited to sit in the council of Fisheries Ministers and it is because we are recognized as a jurisdiction.

If Canada was run only by population there would be no way that we would be recognized. We would not have a seat, we would not even be heard. So I think that is a very good example on how there are deviations from this representation by population argument. I am not a lawyer, so, excuse me if I do not make too much sense, but that is my own humble interpretation of that. With that, I thank everybody for their support.

Committee Motion 53-13(4): To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. recognize Mr. Picco.

Committee Motion 53-13(4): To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the concern here I do not think is a concern with giving Sanikiluaq a seat. I think Mr. Arlooktoo has articulated the situation regarding Sanikiluaq and in the past. Sanikiluaq has had its own seat. I think the idea of going back to that is a good one. The question we have here on the table is where should Whale Cove go. I do not know if this is the proper forum to decide that. The Boundary Commission has done one thing and we would like to do another thing. Because the Boundary Commission was not asked to do that in particular, to move one community from another community, those were recommendations we have made in the committee today, other than the ones that were in the report. I do not think its an issue between, you know, fairness between Arviat being joined with Whale Cove or Whale Cove being joined with Rankin. Mr. Ningark made an excellent point when he asked what do the people of Whale Cove want. I do not know.

I would say that Mr. Arlooktoo maybe would like to move a motion requesting Sanikiluaq to have its own seat and that this committee would agree to that. We can decide then, after consultation with Whale Cove, where they would like to go. If that would be a fair compromise, I would ask Mr. Arlooktoo maybe he would look at it. I just came up with this. I did not have a chance to discuss it with Mr. Arlooktoo, but I do not think that any one is concerned here with Sanikiluaq getting a seat, I would agree with that. They have had their seat in the past. They are unique. There is no familial ties between the Keewatin communities or even the Baffin communities for that matter. Most people in Sanikiluaq have familiar ties with Quebec, Northern Quebec.

I would ask Mr. Arlooktoo, maybe he would amend his motion, give Sanikiluaq a seat and that takes care of the logistic problems Mr. Arlooktoo talked about, and it would also give us an opportunity to see what the people of Whale Cove would like to see. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 53-13(4): To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)
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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you. Mr. Picco. Generally there are some discussions back and forth between parties as to whether or not the other would prefer to amend a motion. Therefore, I would suggest to the Members that we take a five minute break which would allow these two people to get together and perhaps agree on how they would like the motion to be presented, Since no Member was really prepared to put forward an amendment to the motion, I would have to ask if there are no further discussions to the motions. Mr. Todd.

Committee Motion 53-13(4): To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman,

Committee Motion 53-13(4): To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)
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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Mr. Todd. I am sorry, before you proceed, I have to recognize the clock and report progress. I will rise and report progress.

Committee Motion 53-13(4): To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The House will come back to order. Item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Steen.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the committee has been considering Tabled Document 93-13(4), Report of the Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission and would like to report progress with

four motions being adopted. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

We have second by the Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Item 21, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk. Item 22, orders of the day.

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, meetings of the Nunavut Caucus at 2:00 p.m. this afternoon; on Monday morning at 9:00 a.m. of the Standing Committee on infrastructure; also at 9:00 a.m. of the Standing Committee on Social Programs; also at 11:00 a.m. on Monday of the Ordinary Members' Caucus and at 12:00 noon the Status of Women Council luncheon.

Orders of the day for Monday, October 6, 1997:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions

5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Oral Questions

7. Written Questions

8. Returns to Written Questions

9. Replies to Opening Address

10. Petitions

11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

13. Tabling of Documents

14. Notices of Motion

15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills

16. Motions

17. First Reading of Bills

- Bill 23, An Act to Amend the Elections Act

- Bill 24, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act

- Bill 25, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1997-1998

18. Second Reading of Bills

19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Tabled Document 93-13(4), Report of the Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission

- Bill 3, Family Law Act

- Bill 4, Children's Law Act

- Bill 5, Adoption Act

- Bill 6, Child and Family Services Act

- Bill 19, Municipal Statutes Amending Act, No. 2

20. Report of Committee of the Whole

21. Third Reading of Bills

22. Orders of the Day

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until October 6, 1997 at 1:30 p.m.

--ADJOURNMENT