This is page numbers 199 - 228 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was unity.

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Motion 7-13(5): NWT National Unity Resolution
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also rise to speak in support of the National Unity Resolution. I would also like to start first by commending the work of the Special Committee on National Unity. They did, I think, a fine job in a fairly short period of time on what is a very important issue.

Mr. Speaker, the resolution they have come up with is a distinct improvement on the Calgary Declaration. Calgary Declaration was a good starting point, but the message I got from the people when I had a constituency meeting on this issue is reflected in this document; that northern and aboriginal issues had to be better reflected; and the resolution had to, in fact, go from coast to coast to coast and not just east-west.

The one comment that I heard in my constituent's meeting that has stuck in my mind is that this is the latest constitutional vehicle before the Canadian people. It is the vehicle that we now have before us that we have to take down the constitutional road and see if, in fact, we can translate the fine audible sentiment I have heard around this House, about what a great country Canada is and how proud we are of the fact to be Canadian and to be northerners.

Translate that into a workable, and hopefully final constitutional arrangement. Those of us from the western territory know exactly how difficult the constitutional arrangement can be to reach. We have been plugging at it for 20 years and we still have work to do. Mr. Speaker, I fully support this motion, and I hope in fact it will be a step closer towards a resolution to this problem in this constitutional arrangement that is much needed.

I, as well, do not want to see Canada split. I have in fact, relatives in Quebec, and I would like to be able to visit them all as Canadians. Mr. Speaker, I have heard many fine words today from all points of the compass and from all perspectives, but all saying the same thing. I think we have much to gain by this process. If we do not do it right, much to lose. So, I commend this special committee and I will be giving this motion my full support. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be supporting this unity resolution. I believe it is only a small part of what needs to be done. Mr. Speaker, in the community of Inuvik I brought the questions to the Samuel Hearne Secondary School. The group of students responded from junior high class. I see that in the committee's report, some of their concerns have been addressed because their concern was that the Northwest Territories was not in the Calgary Declaration. They wanted to see more of that and some of the aboriginal issues as well.

Mr. Speaker, this is a day that we have set aside, as Legislators, to do our part for Canada. The day itself is like many others. It is the issue that will make this day different for us. We, as representatives of the Northwest Territories, can let the rest of Canada know how we feel.

Mr. Speaker, I think that we live in the best country. I am happy that I was born in the land that is strong and free; that my children were born in this great land - for the future is full of opportunity and the freedom to speak is still a cornerstone of democracy.

Mr. Speaker, today it is we that set the direction for the future. It is our example that will lead our children into this future. You see, it is not how we legislate or govern. It is how we live our lives that will be the key to leading and building a strong country for the future.

Mr. Speaker, I believe we cannot legislate how Canadians feel about one another. I believe if we are to have a true idea of unity, it will come from within. Mr. Speaker, I say acceptance starts at home and through acceptance, we will have unity.

In closing I would like to say that I am an Inuvialuit; I am a northerner; I am a Canadian. To the rest of Canada, I say I invite you to come and learn about the north and its people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland. To the motion. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I too will be speaking in favour of this motion. Mr. Speaker, people in my riding did not overwhelmingly respond to this survey as well, but I believe it is because it is a very complex issue. It is not something we can expect the average person in the street to be able to respond to in such a short time. That may have been one of the reasons. But as to whether or not the people in my riding are proud to be Canadians, Mr. Speaker, I do not think that is a question. I believe on June 6, 1984, when the Inuvialuit land claim was signed with the federal government, the people were proud at that time to become part of the Canadian society and to be accepted as full Canadians.

The people were proud they were finished dealing with a country that was honourable enough to recognize their claims and felt obligated to fulfil those commitments, under the claims. Mr. Speaker, Inuvialuit on their part did their share as far as contributing towards Canadian unity.

I believe Inuvialuits felt at that time they were bringing a portion of Canada into Canada because they brought their lands with them, when they signed the claim. Mr. Speaker, there is a lot of public who are not aware there were some restrictions as to what could be negotiated at these claims, during the claims process. Inuvialuit and I believe other aboriginal groups had been told we could not consider separation and we could not consider to claim any lands that had proven oil and gas reserves or mineral deposits on them. Those were the restrictions put onto what they could claim, during the claim process. I believe that was the result of the federal policy at that time. It therefore brings to mind a question to the Inuvialuit as to why the government would consider separatism with anyone else at this point in time or any time in the future? Because we were told, as Inuvialuit that we do not have that option of sovereignty, we could not be a sovereign nation within Canada. We would have to be part of Canada. We accepted those terms, Mr. Speaker. So therefore, the question of Quebec separatism, the overall question of Canadian unity, seems to come to us as an odd statement or request that would be honoured by anyone, in particular the federal government because we were told we would be treated the same as all other groups within Canada.

We were also told the sharing of resources, in particular those resources we could not claim, would be shared by all Canadians, including Inuvialuits. We were also told that the opportunity for economic development and jobs would be given to all of us as Canadians in particular, if the development was in our area, we would be given preferential opportunities to take part in these resource developments.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the federal government has some commitments yet to fulfil in order to meet the requirements of a claim and we feel as aboriginals we are short of. The federal government will be honourable enough to fulfil those commitments under the claim.

In particular, we would like to see the federal government assure that Inuvialuit in my riding first, if development is in that area, in particular, mining or oil and gas opportunities, would be shared with Inuvialuit. We would also like to see this followed through with this government. This territorial government would have a share of the resources, within the Northwest Territories.

We would also like to see the federal government take responsibility in assuring that other aboriginal groups have a share in the resources from their area. This would assure all Canadians that we, as Canadians, have an opportunity and a right to share in the resources that are taken from our area. This would in turn show unity because it would discourage separatism. That is what I believe, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak on the issue of national unity. This legislature is the first one in Canada to consider the national resolution. This resolution is a result of the Committee on National Unity, consultation with people across the Northwest Territories. With that, I would like to thank the committee for their efforts.

We, as Canadians, as northerners face a challenging role as we enter into a new millennium. We are here to promote national unity and on the other hand, create two new territories. Division is not an easy process or an easy answer. Division of the Northwest Territories is a milestone for the residents of the Northwest Territories and Canada. The creation of Nunavut recognizes and affirms aboriginal peoples' inherent right to govern themselves.

It is important that the aboriginal people continue to make a contribution in an active role in any constitutional process, not only in Northwest Territories, but the rest of Canada and to the national constitutional process we have undertaken. People of the Northwest Territories have already faced a number of constitutional processes on a wide variety of issues such as division of the Northwest Territories, aboriginal issues, treaty entitlement, land claims, self-government and finally the long Royal Commission process in regard to aboriginal peoples and the report that was tabled with the federal government.

For myself as an aboriginal person, I feel strongly that the whole aboriginal agenda has to be seriously looked at along with any constitutional process in Canada, especially in regard to the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples Report and the recommendations that went along with that report. Canada is a land of opportunity and we enjoy the right of freedom to express it. However, Canada has not always been open in regard to when it came to aboriginal people and their freedoms. Historically the door has not always been open in regard to participation of aboriginal people in Canada. The history of Canada is not one of democratic participation. The door has just recently been opened to aboriginal peoples' participation in the constitutional processes in Canada. It has been through our desire to continue that process and historical work that the fathers of confederation and the goals that are not to be undone but to recognize and affirm these processes.

Aboriginal people have come a long way and the division of the Northwest Territories is proof Canada now represents and honours rights of aboriginal people, the inherent right of self-government in recognition of section 35 of the Canadian Constitution. Our future with the result, generation upon generations of Canadians making the difference by working together and not apart. We are here to rekindle a sense of national pride and commitment that all Canadians have. However, it does not end there. It is a ongoing process that strives to come together and work together for a national agenda for all Canadians, one that includes all Canadians, the aboriginal peoples and the Quebecers. I am proud to be an aboriginal person and a Canadian, with that, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. To the motion. Mr. Ng.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

(Translation unavailable) Mr. Speaker, to translate.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, friends, I took the opportunity to speak my own language briefly. I know that you did not understand what I said but to recognize the greatness of our country, I believe millions of Canadians would have understood what I said. Canada gave my parents the opportunity to afford themselves a living, to raise a family. Myself as a first generation Canadian of Chinese descent, it gave me an opportunity, and again to recognize the diversity of our country to move from Vancouver, a city of approximately two million people, to Cambridge Bay, a community of approximately a thousand people approximately 20 years ago. It gave me an opportunity to work, to live and to raise a family and ultimately be accepted by the community and the opportunity and the honour of representing that community as their Member in this Assembly.

Our country Canada is the only one, I believe, that affords us the opportunity to voice our freedom of speech to the level that we are allowed, to give us the mobility rights to work and to live wherever we want in this great country. It has one of the highest levels of social safety net to protect those residents, those citizens, who need help in the area of health and social services and providing one of the best education levels in the world. In this country as we all know, it is comprised of millions of Canadians, many, of many ethnic backgrounds. One only has to look at the reflection of this in our small Legislature, one of the smallest in Canada, but I believe it has one of the most diverse backgrounds. We have people of Inuit decent, of Inuvialuit decent, of Dene decent, of Metis decent. We have immigrants to this country of Scottish decent, of Irish decent, of Dutch decent. We have Canadians born and raised in the country whether they are from the west coast originally like myself or from the Prairies or from the east coast like some of my honourable colleagues. I think that is just a reflection of the greatness and the diversity of our country. So, I am proud to be Canadian, Mr. Speaker. I am proud to be able to support this motion and I am proud to support this great country that we are all part of. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

To the motion. Thank you, Mr. Ng. Mrs. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be making a brief comment. I agree with all the comments that have been put out by the Members and I am very proud to be a Canadian as well. I just want to indicate that being an aboriginal person and being a founding person of this country, I am very proud of it. When the first non-aboriginal people came to our country, we did not even have a geography at the time or any mappings, and yet there were some aboriginal people who were living in Keewatin, Kitikmeot and Dene regions. Manitoba, Yukon or Quebec or even the provinces at the time were not even listed in our maps of Canada. However, aboriginal people were still in existence in our great country and they were scattered all over this country. They were supporting themselves and hunting for themselves, for their people. They had their own customs and laws which governed them.

Even though they were scattered and had their own systems, they did not have such party politics. However, they would communicate with each other and come up with solutions to their problems. However, just recently when we started talking about Nunavut territory, our elders finally understood that our country and that our land was our land, that we could govern the land as we wanted and as we wished. So, the people who were negotiating the land claims at the time had a very hectic job to do. However, we will be beginning our government within Nunavut and having said all that, although we have political parties within Canada and have provinces, we can still live together as a whole, as a people because we are all from Canada and we are proud to be Canadians. Those of us who are Inuit being in Canada, we always see on TV other countries fighting amongst themselves and we even see little children carrying guns so that they can shoot other people. But we do not see that within Canada. We do not let our children carry guns around so that they can shoot other people down. Because we are living in Canada, we can speak about anything that we want to speak. Thank you. (Translation ends)

Different types of people come from different parts of Canada and regions. My husband is from Ontario. My son, Trevor, is from Baffin. My son Randy is from Keewatin. I have a sister-in-law from northern Quebec, Pasha. I have a sister-in-law Marilyn from New Brunswick. I have a sister-in-law Trudy from Manitoba. I have a brother-in-law from southern Quebec. I also have a friend here who speaks Chinese.

--Laughter/Applause

My Mom's father, Jimmy Tom, was from Scotland. I strongly feel that family unity is very important and so is National Unity. The NWT Resolution and the Calgary Declaration recognize what makes Canada unique, and this is our respect for diversity, the value of our social programs, our different languages, the equality of our people, and of our provinces and territories and the right of our people to govern themselves. Mr. Speaker, I am supporting the NWT Resolution and would like to thank all the Members of this special committee for their efforts in the national unity process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In closing the debate on this House's Resolution on National Unity, I would just like to thank Members for their speeches of today and for entering into this debate in a good frame of mind and a firm commitment to this country. I just got word from our staff that the House of Assembly of Newfoundland and Labrador have unanimously passed the Calgary Declaration with one amendment at approximately a little after 4:00 p.m. Atlantic time zone time. So, that would be approximately 4:00 p.m. December 2, 1997. So, I will not speak long because we are going to pass our Resolution before 4:00 p.m. December 2, 1997, Mountain Standard Time.

--Laughter -- Applause -- Hear! Hear!

But it is only fitting that the last provincial government or the last provincial Assembly that ever joined this country was Newfoundland and they did unanimously pass their Assembly's motion, and we will be the next to join this country as a full partner so we will next pass our resolution, as number two. With that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank all Members. I would like to thank Northwest Territories' residents for telling us their views, and I think that we have taken the time and opportunity to send a clear and strong message to the rest of Canada that our Canada, the future Canada includes Quebec and it also includes the Northwest Territories. So, with that, Mr. Speaker, I would request a recorded vote. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member has requested a recorded vote. All those in favour, please stand.

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Morin, Mr. Arlooktoo, Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Steen, Mr. Ningark, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Mr. Barnabas, Mr. Picco, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Henry, Mr. Ng, Mrs. Thompson, Mr. Antoine, Mr. Kakfwi.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. All those against, please stand. All those abstaining, please stand. Thank you. Recorded vote is 21 for, none against and none abstaining. This motion is passed unanimously.

--Applause

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

I would like to thank all the Members for participating in this special unity session. After we take a 15- minute break, we will resume normal orders of the day.

--Break

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

I would like to call the House back to order. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin.

Minister's Statement 10-13(5): Condolences To Finance Minister
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with deep sadness that I rise today to offer condolences to Finance Minister, the Honourable John Todd and his family on the death of his son Ian, this past weekend. Mr. Speaker, there is nothing more tragic then the loss of a loved one, especially at a relatively young age. There is nothing worse for a parent

than the death of one of their children. On behalf of the Members of this Legislative Assembly and all the people of the Northwest Territories, I would like to offer the deepest sympathy to John and his family. Our hearts and thoughts are with them all at this difficult time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 10-13(5): Condolences To Finance Minister
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Minister's Statement 11-13(5): The Report Of The Ministerial Forum On Student Financial Assistance
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will table the report on the Ministerial Forum on Student Financial Assistance. Although a number of changes have been made to the Student Financial Assistance Program in recent years, it has not been reviewed in depth since 1980. Since that time, the number of students using the program has grown considerably. In 1994, the Auditor General of Canada raised concerns about the program's objectives, results and the management of the program's costs. To find out what northerners thought about the program and to gather their ideas on how to make it sustainable, I established the Ministerial Forum on Student Financial Assistance earlier this year.

The forum carried out consultations in Iqaluit, Inuvik and Yellowknife during the summer. Representatives from all northern communities were invited to participate. Discussions focused on four areas; access, shared responsibility, sustainability and delivery. People who could not make presentation to the ministerial forum were able to mail in their comments. In all, the forum heard from more than 225 people and organizations.

I presented the report, Mr. Speaker, to the Standing Committee on Social Programs on November 27th and invited comments on it. The forum's report includes 50 recommendations for making the Student Financial Assistance Program more responsive to the needs of students. The department will start working on options for revising the program based on the forums' recommendations. Communication with the standing committee, students, parents and communities will continue as we move through this process. The department plans to make some changes that will respond to the forum's recommendations and improve the delivery of the program by September of 1998. For example, the department will enhance support services to students by providing better orientation and preparation sessions, as well as personal followup during the initial phase of their post secondary education. The process of applying for student financial assistance will also be simplified. Long-term changes will be considered for implementation in April of 1999.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the members of the forum for their hard work and dedication to this project. The level of detail in the report shows the effort they put into ensuring a wide range of ideas and opinions represented to the government for consideration. Mr. Speaker, the members of the forum were Judy Anilniliak of Iqaluit, Ruby Jumbo of Trout Lake, Wendy Colpitts of Yellowknife and Jason Lepine of Fort Smith. The forum was chaired by Louise Vertes of Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 11-13(5): The Report Of The Ministerial Forum On Student Financial Assistance
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Minister's Statement 12-13(5): Cwg Meeting With Diand Minister Stewart
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

December 1st, 1997

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on November 24, 1997, the Constitutional Working Group delegation met with the DIAND Minister, Jane Stewart, in Ottawa. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss continuing federal support for the CWG process and the development of the constitution for the new Western Territory. The delegation included Mr. James Wah-Shee, myself and the CWG's executive director, Mr. Steve Iveson. In addition to discussing ongoing federal support the meeting was also an opportunity to provide Minister Stewart with an update on the progress made to date on the CWG, how western Northwest Territories residents have responded to the western constitutional development issues and what we are planning for the future.

I am pleased to report that Minister Stewart expressed her support for the western constitutional development process and agreed in general with the CWG's guiding principles and objectives which form the basis for our western constitution. She expressed confidence that with good communication and effective consultation among western residents, the aboriginal leadership and the federal government's approach will emerge with respect to the values of all parties.

I can also report that the Minister supports continued involvement by the federal government in the western constitutional process. DIAND officials will continue to take an active role in the CWG meetings and the second round of consultations they will participate as observers, offer technical advice and provide the federal perspective. Finally, Minister Stewart confirmed that the Government of Canada will contribute $500,000 to the CWG process for the remainder of this fiscal year. This contribution along with the $266,000 from the Government of the Northwest Territories will be targeted for CWG's second round of consultation. The CWG's proposed budget and work plan for fiscal year 1998/99 are already under review by the federal, territorial and the CWG officials.

Both governments are to be commended for their political, financial, technical support for the Constitutional Working Group process. The Constitutional Working Group can now devote its full attention to the second round of consultations which are scheduled for February through May of 1998. The Constitutional Working Group will hold a constitutional conference in the fall of 1998 where a proposed constitutional package will be considered subject to further consultation. A plebiscite on the western constitutional package is tentatively scheduled for early 1999.

On the same day, I was able to meet with Minister Stewart in my capacity as Minister Responsible for Aboriginal Affairs. We discussed a number of Northwest Territories' issues and initiatives including self-government which has implications for federal and territorial governments and aboriginal people. We established a good dialogue on these matters and have agreed to continue working closely in the future. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 12-13(5): Cwg Meeting With Diand Minister Stewart
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng.

Minister's Statement 13-13(5): St. John Ambulance 25th Anniversary
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the service offered to northerners over the past 25 years by a dedicated group of volunteers, the St. John Ambulance Council of the Northwest Territories. The Council is celebrating its 25th anniversary. St. John is the oldest charity in the world. It began in Jerusalem almost 1,000 years ago. The organization reached Canada in 1882. At that time, high accident rates among construction, mining, forestry and railway workers meant there was a need for first aid training and followup after hospital treatment. In 1972, Commissioner Stu Hodgson said that the territories should have it own St. John Ambulance organization to meet the growing need for first aid training in the north.

Since that time, the NWT St. John Ambulance Council has issued over 74,000 certificates to northerners qualifying them in health care, safety and emergency first aid. It provides instruction to over 3,500 hundred people in the NWT each year. Courses include first aid, babysitting, child care and home health care.

Last year, St. John volunteers logged 1,400 hours covering events such as the Caribou Carnival, Dry Grad functions, Canada Day events and the Folk on the Rocks Festival in Yellowknife. Over the years, this organization has made efforts to provide services that meet the special needs of the Northwest Territories. St. John has translated its training materials into aboriginal languages and has an Aboriginal Instructor Qualification Program. This program is credited with training 5,000 northerners in health care and first aid. St. John has placed survival material along travel routes in the High Arctic. These materials are available to anyone who needs them while out on the land. For ten years, St. John operated the air medevac service in the western Arctic.

Mr. Speaker, the members of St. John Ambulance provide these services because they see a need in their communities. They are working to improve the quality of life for all northern people through training and first aid service. I would like to congratulate them on their first 25 years in the Northwest Territories and wish them the best in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause