Thank you. The final supplementary, the honourable Member for Kivallivik, Mr. O'Brien.
Debates of Feb. 20th, 1997
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The Chair John Ningark
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We seem to be putting a lot of our eggs in one basket when looking at this Med-Emerg proposal and the advent of possible private funding. I just hope, for the sake of the people in Arviat who have been waiting for the past number of years for the centre to be constructed, that it does indeed take place. I hope the Minister, as he indicated in last year's budget, will give the community of Arviat the priority that he said he would. By that I assume we will see a new health centre for the hamlet of Arviat. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you. I believe the honourable Member was making a point, but do you want to respond, Mr. Minister?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I have indicated in the past. I recognize the need and the honourable Member's issue in relation to try and bring this on stream. I share those concerns with him. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you. Support and health services administration, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance is $98,587,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, honourable Members. Page 6 - 14, community programs and services, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $142,171,000. Mr. Roland.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let us take our time here. I can question the Minister for quite some time on this issue. In the area of drug and alcohol, there is discussion on your strategy and the changes that are about to happen. My concerns are when it comes to Delta House and naming Delta House as a facility that is closed. What were the information and some of the items taken in for your consideration as to closing this facility?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I have indicated publicly, it was not an easy decision to make. It has had a huge impact on the community of Inuvik. Basically, because of the fact that we had a large number of residential treatment beds in our alcohol and drug system with high vacancy rate amongst those beds. It was felt to take some of those beds out of the system, to beef up some of the occupancy levels of the facilities would not drastically impact on the delivery of residential alcohol and drug treatment services, Mr. Chairman. Of course, with that decision under consideration, we had to look at what facility that would be. Inuvik, as I have indicated in the past, looks on paper as the most logical choice because it was the smallest facility having only 12 beds. It was the oldest facility of all the alcohol and drug treatment facilities. Its location right in the middle of Inuvik did not really lend itself to assisting the delivery of the program. Those were some of the major factors that were taken into consideration when the Delta House operation was chosen for withdrawal of funds, Mr. Chairman.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When you say it was the smallest, you said before the least cost effective to operate. What information was in that to say that it was the least cost effective per bed, per client, coming in the door, with the total cost of running the facility, paying employees, keeping the facility operating when it comes to your taxes, per bed, and the capacity? What were the costs?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it was a total operating cost per bed as it worked out to. It was approximately net of the operating costs for the building itself. For just a program cost for Delta House, it worked out to about $583,000, which worked out to about $50,000 a bed, based on 12 beds. In comparison to $30,000 to $33,000 for the other two facilities based on the western side of the territories, which were Northern Addiction Services, and the Hay River Treatment Facility, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, you are saying Delta House with 12 beds was receiving $583,000 per bed. That is not taking in clients, that is just having an empty bed sitting there. In comparison with the other two within the west with the number of beds and the costs taken in were approximately $30,000 and $33,000 respectively for the other two facilities. Were the total costs involved, like public works maintenance on one of the facilities, and all those costs taken into consideration? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, those costs were for the net of those operating costs for the building. They were just the program dollar costs for delivering the programs, Mr. Chairman.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The figures worked on were just for bed spaces that were paid, for example in Inuvik, and the total amount they received was approximately $650,000. The difference there would be approximately $67,000 for operation costs.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Approximately $51,000 for operating costs for Delta House for the building costs.
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