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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Nunakput, Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Chairman, could the Minister perhaps expand a little bit on how the department would assure it is done? Is it the responsibility of the local board or is it the responsibility of the local education committee? Whose responsibility would it be to assure there is adequate housing for these teachers if you expand the grades?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is a shared responsibility. The district education authority is expected to look at the specific needs within the community to make sure those needs are communicated to the division education council. Then our department works with the divisional educational councils and, if necessary, with FMBS to make sure all situations are dealt with.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Educational development. I have Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the community of Holman, for instance, is looking forward to expanding their school up to grade 12 level. I am sure the Minister is aware it is currently only at the grade 9 level. Grades 10, 11, and 12 are being accommodated in Coppermine, Kugluktuk. Obviously, when Nunavut comes into being in 1999, the Nunavut government will not be planning accommodations for students in the western territory. Therefore, it is quite critical to this community that grades 10, 11, and 12 be available April 1st, 1999. I do not see a school extension in this budget for Holman Island, even at the planning stage. In order for it to be in place by 1999, it would have to be in the planning stage this year. Assuming the community gave him an official request, would the Minister consider putting the planning funds into this year's budget for Holman?

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The Chair John Ningark

The honourable Minister, Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, one of the areas we talked about a couple of minutes ago was the $300,000 we have for small school grade extensions, which is allocated on an as needed basis throughout the year for those schools that need assistance. We have capital funds planned for Holman, $1.9 million starting to flow in '98/99. If something is needed before then, we would probably have to call on that $300,000 pot to ensure the school was able to handle the grade extensions. We would look at space requirements as being the first priority for dealing with the needs of the community. If there is a need for space, we will find some way to accommodate it and move things around in the capital plan as necessary. Having said that, I am advised the school is at 62 percent utilization, which means we might not have to advance the funds for an addition, but we might have to spend some of those capital funds to move things around in the schools so it works with the grade extensions. I do not want to give the Member the impression we will automatically have to move the $1.9 million around. We might be able to work within the $300,000 we have in the budget. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I want the Minister to understand, the community is not just asking to update the capital plan by one year just for the sake of updating it, but rather to prepare the community so if the students can no longer attend school in Kugluktuk, in Nunavut after 1999, they would have the proper school space within their community. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand the Member's concern. I look forward to meeting with the community and discussing this. On March 12th, the Member and I are scheduled to go into the community and discuss their concerns with them. We have made a commitment to put space shortfalls as our number one priority when we are looking at our capital plan. We may not be able to move all of the money around. Within the $300,000 we have the flexibility to make sure we can, in the near term, deal with the concerns of the people of Holman Island.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Educational development. I have Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is on the comments in the budget document, which states: with the extension in 1997/98, will see kindergarten to grade 12 programs offered in 33 communities. The communities that do not presently have grade 12 programs, where do the students taking grade 12 relocate to?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. High school is available to grade 12 in all regions. Students do not have to travel outside their region to attend high school. For instance, a student in Pelly Bay might go to high school in Kugluktuk or Cambridge. A student in Grise Fiord would go to Pond Inlet. It is within the region.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have heard a number of concerns raised by parents in my community about students, when they go south for further education for courses that are not available in the north, how difficult that adjustment is for many of them. Students coming from a community with a population of 17,000. Has the department considered trying to provide an extended program up to grade 12 in more communities, rather than trying to put high school in each community, so young people get the opportunity to experience what it is like living in another community. No doubt they will have to travel to southern institutions to go to college or university, for those that choose that route. The question is: is

it financially feasible to them? Is it not better for the students to be exposed to different cultures and sizes of communities early on? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, no. In the past, the residential school system offered in the Territories was a dismal failure. You only need to look back four or five years at the graduation rate of people from the small communities to see, compared to the numbers who were starting off in school, almost none of them were graduating. They are not going to get to go to southern colleges or universities unless they graduate in the first place. We have more than doubled the graduation rate in the past five years. Our participation rate in high school has jumped from 40 percent to over 80 percent. That indicates if they are not participating in school, they do not have any chance of carrying on. First and foremost, you have to get people to stay in school. We were being totally unsuccessful at keeping them in school when they had to leave their home communities. Now, when they can stay in their communities, they are, for the most part, staying in school. That gives us a much better chance of being successful with them moving on to a higher education, if that is what they choose. Let us not forget there are all sorts of options that do not include going to a southern university. There are probably more jobs in the north related to not going to university, than going to a southern university. Those who do choose to go south, we have to find some way to support them in order to improve their chances of success. In the past, we had almost nobody to support, because they were not graduating. The grade extensions in each community have made a dramatic difference to the numbers of students who are staying in school. That is the first step in seeing a long-term educational success.

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The Chair John Ningark

Qujannamiik. Educational development. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

In these 33 communities, to what extent are programs offered in the higher grades of 10, 11, and 12? Are there full science programs and a lab offered? To what degree are we offering as wide a variety of programs as possible? Or are we restricted and therefore restricting the students' ability to get additional education because of not being able to provide a full program at these grades? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The students still have to meet the same requirements to graduate as all other students. The Member asks specifically about science and lab. One of the things the $300,000 is used for is to purchase a lab in a box. It is a modular science lab which can be shipped to a school. As long as we have a few students who are interested in science, we have something available for them to use. We are going to be depending on distance technology to ensure the full spectrum of courses are offered to students in the smallest of communities. It would be difficult to expect in the smallest of communities that one teacher will be able to knowledgeably deal with absolutely every subject, but they are qualified to support students who have access through distance technology to specialist resources. If the Member would like, to graduate a student must still receive 100 credits and there are a number of mandatory courses and optional courses and I could provide the Member with a listing but the answer is, yes, the programs are available. No, not every course can be available in every single school. That is the case even here in Yellowknife, not every course which could be offered in a high school is, simply because even in Yellowknife we do not have the numbers to offer every single course. By and large, the courses needed by students are available.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Educational development. I have Mr. Picco.