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Committee Motion 24-13(4): Recommendation For Withdrawal Of Layoff Notices To Interpreters/translators
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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Minister Dent. I have total operations and maintenance, $103,977,000. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under interpreter/translator under Language Bureau, the Minister, in his opening comments, made the remark that the department will complete a reorganization of the Language Bureau with three administrative and support positions being eliminated. In the comments we just heard, that some layoff notices have come out, approximately, Mr. Picco said, 12 to 14. Can the Minister confirm or give us information that would clear this up? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the department has issued no layoff notices within the Language Bureau. However, this budget does include a reduction in funding to the Language Bureau, which will result in a three PY reduction. That was intended to be throughout the Bureau and was not specific to any location. I believe that the Member from Iqaluit was referring to a reorganization which was not a budgetary exercise. There were no savings intended through that reorganization. The reorganization would have meant that we would layoff 18 people in the Language Bureau across the Northwest Territories and taken the funds from that layoff and distributed the portion that is needed to departments for interpreter/translator services. The remainder would provide funding to language communities, so they could do their own developmental and promotion work in the Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We did, as a committee, make a motion. However, it related to what you just spoke about, the reorganization of coming back and looking at it from an east to west issue. Hopefully, that will be taken into consideration when you start looking at the reorganization. I would like to know from the Minister, from a western perspective, how is the language interpreter/translation done? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Minister.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I said in my opening comments, I am prepared to look at the recommendations of the standing committee. I will respond to them after examining whether or not we can achieve what we were trying to achieve economically and functionally and still live up to that recommendation. I reiterate, there have been no layoff notices issued in the Language Bureau with respect to either reorganization or the three PY reduction, which is part of this budget. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Dent. With that, we will take a ten minute break. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

The Committee will come back to order. We are on total operations and maintenance. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

I do not think that I received the answer for my question regarding in respect to the west when it comes to interpreter/translators. Are the majority of these contract? How many are government staff? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am not sure if I can answer the question because each department may be purchasing services in the private market. I can advise the Member that the restructuring we were looking at would have seen most of the layoffs in the west. In terms of how much is currently being purchased on the private market, I cannot say.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Minister Dent. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister give us a fairly accurate number of how much would be private sector versus GNWT staff for translating in the west?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Minister Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I said, I do not have any way to research that question because each department is probably purchasing services outside of the Language Bureau. In fact, I know the Department of Education, Culture and Employment occasionally purchases services from the private sector. Each department would have to be questioned as to how much they are purchasing outside the Language Bureau. We do not have any way of knowing what another department might be doing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Minister Dent. Operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, sometimes when we are on this line, I think there are some misconceptions out there regarding the Language Bureau. In the motion it talks about layoffs. In actuality on December 9 or 12, I believe, in my community with the union representative there, the members of the Language Bureau were told that, depending on the budget, they would be losing their jobs. When I say layoff notice, they were given notice of layoff. They were not given a paper saying the date but they were told that depending on what happened with this budget. On the Language Bureau, we keep talking about the interpreter/translation part of the Language Bureau. Maybe the Minister or one of his staff would like to talk about the other things that our Language Bureau does. Its sole function is not just to deliver translating and interpretative services for the

government. Maybe they would like to tell us what else the Language Bureau does.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am not sure where Mr. Picco got his information from, but there have been no layoff notices issued. The employees have been advised of the proposal which, under reorganization, would see a number of layoffs. They have been advised that no decision has been made on the whole restructuring and, as I said, there is a three PY reduction as part of the budget, but there has been no indication that was going to mean layoffs in Iqaluit. Those are three positions that would have to be reduced within the Language Bureau if the Language Bureau, in its same format and doing the same sorts of functions that it is right now, would somehow have to reduce by three PYs in order to live within the amount of dollars that we have in the 1997-98 budget in comparison to what was in 1996-97.

In terms of what the Language Bureau does, it is also responsible for language promotion, for some limited support of language development and for developing of certification programs. Those would probably be the major functions other than interpreting and translating. As I said, Mr. Chairman, the consultation process that was undertaken over the past couple of years, starting with recommendations from the previous Language Commissioner, led us to believe that language development, language promotion and ensuring the vibrancy of languages would be better left in the hands of the language communities. Here I am using community, not meaning a municipality, but as a group of people who speak the language as a first language. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Minister Dent. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if there were no official layoff notices, that may be correct, but the staff were invited to a meeting and were told that it was pending, depending on the layoff plans, so were they told that there were layoffs coming, yes. Were they given an official notice in the form of saying three months you are gone, no. I still consider it a layoff notice when you are called into a meeting with your supervisor and are told that your job may be disappearing. On the Language Bureau itself, maybe the Minister could qualify something for me by the downsizing and the elimination of the Language Bureau as it is today as Mr. Dent has just said, is that a monetary savings to this government? Is it a budget issue in this budget? Are we saving money by doing this?

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Mr. Minister.