Debates of Feb. 6th, 1997

This is page numbers 435 - 466 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Topics

Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Community Justice Conference
Educational Requirements In Anticipation Of Division
Resource Sector Employment Opportunities
Initiatives To Construct Curling Rinks
Cbc Radio Inuktitut Language Services
Release Of Book On Flyfishing In The Nwt
Representation On Behalf Of Nunavut
Measures Needed To Prevent Fas/fae
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Curling Rink Funding
Prevention Of Fas/fae
Adherence To The Bip By Communities
Responsibility For Pol Privatization
Status Of The South Slave Land Freeze
Mine Training Committee
Update On Resolute Bay Area
Sale Of Staff Housing
Status Of Unified Human Resource Strategy
Funding For Constitutional Consultation
Asset Transfer To Communities
Funding For Fas/fae
Alcohol And Drug Treatment Training
Drivers' Licence Photographs
Fuel Wood For Seniors
Privatization Portfolio
Responsibility For Environmental Liabilities
Written Question 13-13(4): Insurance For Education Facilities
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
To Defer Consideration Of The Program Summary: Financial Management Board Secretariat In The Department Of The Executive
Recommendation Of Committee Report 3-13(4): Infrastructure
Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I believe the mike was off on your side. I believe he said, "$2 to 3 million".

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We are on information item. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, could the Minister indicate what level communities the majority of these units are located in?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Do you have that information available, Mr. Minister?

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, I do. Most of these leases, I think probably all of them, are in level two and level three communities. Communities like Arctic Bay, Fort Providence, Fort Simpson, Iqaluit, Lake Harbour, Pangnirtung, Tuktoyaktuk, Rankin Inlet, those kind of communities, Broughton Island, Arviat, Qaminetuaq, Kugluktuk.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, on page 2-38, it shows revenue from the leases of $200,000 per year. Does this represent then a loss of almost $9 million a year, not counting O and M?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

The $200,000 is where we may be leasing units to third parties, that is where we get the revenues from.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Information item, schedule of lease budget requirements. Mr. Miltenberger. Sorry. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I do not wish to jump ahead in here, but could the Minister give me an idea then, what is the revenue from these leased units per year?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Between leased and owned, and of course we are selling off our own units daily, very exciting, it is somewhere in the region of $6 million of revenues. I quantify it by saying that is leased plus owned revenues that we generate, and as I said, we are selling off the houses daily, in

the exciting drive towards private ownership in our communities.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, just for clarification, I am not referring at this point to the houses. I am referring strictly to the leased units. I understand the Minister to say that we may generate up to $6,000,000 in revenue, which is offset by the $9,170,000 in expenditures, plus $2 to 3 million in O and M costs, which means a roughly $6,000,000 loss per year. Is that correct?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Absolutely. That is correct. Yes, we subsidize our housing and that is why we are getting out of it, quite frankly, Mr. Chairman. That is why we have made this wonderful offer to our employees. Yes, there is a deficit, if you want, in that particular financial line, and we spend this and receive that and there is a shortfall. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The allotted time for the allotted member for Nunakput is up. On the schedule of lease budget requirements. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not quite clear on the way this page is laid out. This year, 1997-98 will have $9 million in projected lease commitments? Is that correct?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, that is what we are committed to as of March 31, 1997, $9,170,000 of lease expenditures in the units that we have out there. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Could the Minister indicate once again, for my own edification, what we mean by long term? Is that five years?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.