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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to know, can the department look at the possibility of finding funds to assist those in my constituency from organizations affected when you deal with bilateral arrangements, say in the case of the Gwich'in and the Inuit who originate from Alaska through the Yukon and into the territories. I would like to know if there is a possibility of assistance, or funds, or some sort of a contribution arrangement that these groups may be able to seek in regard to intergovernmental affairs to be able to assist organizations such as the ones I represent. So if there is anything in the budget, through O and M or someone within the department who is a salary paid employee if they can assist an organization such as the ones I represent.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Morin do you want to respond?

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our Department of the Executive is very limited in funding. Our funding is specifically for the Women's Secretariat and those meetings that surround that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Premier tell me if any funds or contribution arrangements have been made between other organizations in regard to the circumpolar conferences that have taken place over the years and has there been any assistance from this government in regard to such conferences?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my personal knowledge, no, but I will look into that to see if there was funding used in the past few years for funding other organizations around the circumpolar world to go to the other regions. I will find out. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can the Premier assist me or make an attempt to assist with regard to the possibility of opening up links between the different aboriginal people, especially in northern Canada, with regard to the cooperation and coordination of efforts between the different jurisdictions? I do not think we should be putting up roadblocks or that the aboriginal people who have been here for thousands of years have to abide to one law over the other We should be opening up the doors, like what we are doing with the international initiatives the Premier has been on, in regard to Team Canada trips; but also, we should be bringing down barriers between aboriginal groups so that they can start working closer together. Is there a possibility or a way that the Minister can help in bringing down these barriers especially between the different jurisdictions, in regard to Alaska, the Yukon and also the Northwest Territories? Can the Premier look at the possibility of taking a serious look at this item and see if there is anything he can do, and this government, to avoid these barriers? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not aware of any barriers that were put up as a government of inter-reaction between for example, the Gwich'in Nation, whether it is in the Yukon, Northwest Territories or Alaska, for example, again, Treaty 8, whether it is in Alberta, BC or Northwest Territories. Most of those inter-reactions are driven

by the aboriginal organizations. We have always written letters of support to the Prime Minister or whatever, for any aboriginal organization, when requested. We could do that. I would have to get more specific information from the Member and take it on a case by case basis.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe on some of the items, in case the Premier is not aware, is the whole Gwich'in and Porcupine concerns, with regard to the 10-02 lands in Alaska, which basically arise out of that caribou herd, which travels between three jurisdictions. It is one of the main food consumptions of the Gwich'in in the Northwest Territories. So, whatever happens to that herd in Alaska will have a bearing on the people of the Northwest Territories. That is one issue. The other area that can be possibly looked at, is the economics of trading barriers between the different aboriginal groups in Alaska, and the Yukon, to being able to trade across the boundary between the United States and Canada, the ability of trading gifts or bringing items from Canada into Alaska, which is part of the United States.

There are international agreements in regard to the restriction of certain animal products and restriction in regard to fur items and things like that, which could be possibly looked at by this government. So, when you do meet on these trade missions between Canada and the United States and talk about Free Trade, this could be one of the issues you could assist with, through the Prime Minister of Canada, by making him aware these issues are still a barrier on aboriginal people in Canada. So, when there is a lobbying effort by aboriginal groups as a whole regardless of where they live, their concerns will be taken into account.

So those are some of the items I was talking about that this government can seriously look at in regard to assisting these groups when we talk about bilateral arrangements between the jurisdictions.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chair. You raised a good point. I have raised that issue with the Prime Minister before as well as other Premiers have on the whole issue on Canada signing treaties with other countries and not involving the provincial jurisdictions or the people it affects. So I know that he is committed to involvement of provincial jurisdictions. Also on the whole thing of inter-trade between for example, Yukon and the Northwest Territories. The whole issue of the Porcupine Caribou herd would fall under the Department of RWED as well as economic initiatives under RWED. They must be involved in that already and if they are not, we would encourage them to be involved in that.

When the Minister gets back to town, I will request him to meet with you, Mr. Krutko, so that you can bring him up to steam on those issues or he can let you know what his department is doing on those issues. Okay.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We are reviewing 1998-1999 main estimates, activity summary, Cabinet Secretariat. I have Mr. Picco, but Mr. Picco has spoken earlier and Mr. Steen has not. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There appears to be a lack of policy in place whereby this government would respond to a crisis or near crisis situations in the regions and assist boards to resolve issues before they get out of hand. Based on questions I had in the House recently, I have come to the conclusion there is no real policy in place. I am wondering if the Premier would confirm, first of all, that there is no policy in place.

Second, would he consider establishing a policy and perhaps putting in place an emergency response team or quick response team, whatever you want to call it, of managers under Cabinet direction, possibly under the Cabinet Secretariat, whereby this group would move in at a certain time and assist with problems arising in the regions?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr Premier.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chair. One of the problems we do have, Mr. Steen, is the coordination in the region of the regional management. We have tried in the past to have one regional superintendent chair the meeting and then rotate it so the responsibility rotates of the regional issues. That has worked out but not as well as we hoped. It does not justify to have a full-time coordination position like a regional director per se in the region. What I have instructed my secretary to Cabinet to do is to pool the regional managers and that should be happening now. Look at their capabilities and choose one regional manager. He will be the regional chair, whether it be a MACA regional manager or RWED. Wherever they come from, they will be the regional chair. That will provide the secretary to Cabinet with information and advice on regional issues. So, that is my direct line of communication into the regions. That possibly will straighten out the lack of that communication. Every other department has that, but we as Executive do not. It does not justify having a full blown PY. What we would do is choose one regional manager, top up his wage to take on that extra responsibility as chair to coordinate. It also coordinates some other activities that do not have regional representation such as justice. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I guess what I was looking at was more like, I was not thinking so much of regional managers or regional directors, I was thinking more in the line of a group of managers, so to speak, maybe one from Financial Management Board as far as finance is concerned, maybe one from health, one from education, at the managerial level. What appears to be needed would be the ability to make decisions when they get down there including removing certain board members if it is necessary, thereby establishing again a service of some sort. In other words, I am referring to quite high level of managerial positions that will have the authority and ability to move into troubled areas and on quick notice. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I know through empowerment and through the transfer of authority to regional boards, education boards, health boards, empowering communities, everyone knew that was what the political will of this House was to do. The political will of the people was to carry that out, get the decision-making closer to home. We all knew too that would not happen without some mistakes made. Even in a highly centralized government, mistakes have been made. So there would be a learning curve. I believe our first utmost responsibility is to make sure those boards do have proper training so there would be less chance of those mistakes. Mr. Steen brings up a very good idea that I would like to look into. I have not given it a lot of thought in that perspective. I would like to look into that idea.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Well on another item, Mr. Chairman, I would like to question the Premier on the Personnel Secretariat. This particular secretariat, would they be the department involved for, say, any fraud or embezzlement going on in any department of the government?