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Committee Motion 4-13(5): Analysis Of The Transfer Of Human Resource Administration Functions To Departments
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As always, it is a pleasure to be here to present the Financial Management Board Secretariat's main estimates. As you know, the secretariat is a central agency that has been shrinking in the past three years as we move towards greater delegation to departments, as we introduce user say/user pay initiatives and as we achieve some administrative streamlining. The secretariat has gone from 230 active positions in 96-97 to 175 for 98-99, a decline of 25 percent. The focus of the secretariat has also changed. It has gone from the role of monitoring and enforcing in an environment of control to one of providing support and advice in an environment of delegation. The FMBS continues to play a key role in the fight against the deficit and in the division process. It has advanced and supported initiatives in the areas of telecommunications, results measurement, greater public accountability and economic stimulation.

Mr. Chairman, the FMBS is engaged on our behalf on a number of sensitive and critical areas from pay equity and collective bargaining to affirmative action policy reviews to division implementation planning. The secretariat has achieved most of the objectives set for it. As we get closer and closer to the creation of two new territories, the related work consumes more of our attention and time. I expect that because of its central role, the secretariat will find this even more so than other departments.

Nevertheless, Mr. Chairman, there are a number of jobs that need to get done before April 1, 1999, and those are outlined in the secretariat's business plan and accompanying estimates. Primarily these are:

- to prepare the GNWT in concert with the division secretariat and others for the creation of two new territories, including developing and supporting a budget development process for the first year of the new territories' existence;

- coordinate the implementation of Private/Public Partnerships initiatives; complete the implementation of the digital communications network and further strengthen informatics planning in the government;

- improve the government's public accountability and results measurement capability;

- conclude a new collective agreement with the UNW; implement the new job evaluation structure and a new payroll and human resource information system and complete the reform of our staff housing program;

- and last but certainly not least implement the changes necessary to improve the affirmative action results. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Todd. I believe the Infrastructure Committee has opening comments. Mr. Henry.

Committee Motion 5-13(5): Resolution Of The Public Service Act Amendments Issues
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January 27th, 1998

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will read the Standing Committee on Infrastructure's report on the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Public Service Act amendments. Committee members were concerned about the amendments made to the Public Service Act in 1996 and expect to revisit and review the amendments.

I move that the committee recommends that the government vigorously pursue the resolution of issues surrounding the Public Service Act amendments through ongoing and committed dialogue with the union.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? Thank you. All those opposed? The motion is carried. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The current financial information computer system needs to be replaced. Replacement of the computer system is estimated to cost somewhere between $6 million and $8 million. There was a proposal to share the existing computer system with the new Government of Nunavut, but the Interim Commissioner indicated that the new territory will pursue its own system. However, the most recent Auditor General's report posed serious questions regarding dual system post-division in terms of compatibility, data integrity and whether time will allow the proposed Nunavut computer system to be operational by division.

On the digital communications network, the committee was concerned that the proposed government server, the digital communications network or DCN, will compete with local private sector servers. Committee members were also concerned with the technical viability of the proposed project. Members understood that the deadline for completion of the proof of concept was November 30, 1997. The committee would like to receive a copy of the proof of concept when completed. The committee is also encouraged that the government is attempting to address concerns expressed by local service providers and anticipates a satisfactory resolution.

On the issue of staff housing, the committee was concerned that there are few housing options available to accommodate transitional staff such as teachers, nurses and doctors. Some professionals have difficult finding adequate housing or are forced to pay exorbitant rents for existing housing. This may deter other essential service personnel from relocating to some northern communities. The committee requests that the department provide a list of the remaining staff housing units by community and the age and condition descriptions of each of the unsold units. The information provided should indicate where units are not marketable at this time due to title or leasing concerns. Committee members would also like to receive a list of the units that are currently abandoned or otherwise uninhabitable.

On the question of pay equity, committee members were concerned about the costs associated with the ongoing equity negotiations. Members were also concerned with the length of time involved in these discussions and the potential liability of the Government of the Northwest Territories and the committee encourages the government to resolve this issue in a fair and fiscally prudent manner by March of 1998. That concludes the report of the Standing Committee on Infrastructure, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Before we get into general comments, I would like to ask the Minister if he wishes to bring in a witness.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much.

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The Chair John Ningark

Do we agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Yes, proceed. Mr. Minister, for the record would you please introduce your witness.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On my immediate right is the deputy minister of the Financial Management Board Secretariat, Mr. Lew Voytilla.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We are reviewing Financial Management Board Secretariat. Are there any general comments from the membership? Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I do not have a general comment, but rather I have a question for the Minister's opening remarks. My question is in regard to the second paragraph which says, "the department has gone from a role of monitoring, enforcing in an environment of control to one of providing support and advice in an environment of delegation." My question would be in regard to investigations of frauds and embezzlements, how do you still retain the ability to investigate if you are in fact going from a role of monitoring and enforcing?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That particular function is still retained by the Financial Management Board Secretariat and that is one of the areas that has not been delegated out. We maintain the responsibility for doing that. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have one question in regard to the Minister's opening comments as well. It is in regard to the last page and last, but certainly not least, implemented changes necessary to improve the affirmative action results. Could the Minister indicate what is the status of that particular initiative? The committee has pretty well wrapped up its work and presented a package to the government. My understanding was that there seemed to be an agreement on how to proceed and that the government would, in fact, put out something relatively soon. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In fact we did respond, I believe, almost 100 percent to the recommendations provided by the committee, in which, I believe, my honourable colleague was a member. We have initiated and are initiating the actions that were recommended by the committee and which we agreed upon between ourselves and the Executive. We are in the process of doing most of them as we speak.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the things that I recollect discussing and as we did seem to reach an agreement, was the necessity to put out a document considering that how long this has been in the works, the amount of work that was done, money spent, surveys done of all the staff, that would tie it up in a nice neat package so that we could put on the table a product that people could look at that would summarize the joint efforts of both the government and committees in terms of dealing with this long outstanding issue. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are taking a three-pronged approach. One is we are initiating many of the recommendations made by the committee, and I think I did respond to the committee saying this is what we concur with, and we are going to carry on. Two, we will be preparing a policy paper to reflect the changes, I believe that is what my honourable colleague is saying. Three, we will be tabling, I believe in this session, affirmative action results by departments for my colleagues to review. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister indicate when he anticipates this policy document which, to my mind will be the finalization, the very public finalization of this long outstanding review, for the people to look at. When does he anticipate it being ready?