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Sanders

It is one of the factors looked at. It is complex funding the regional clinics. The idea is to have a basic office there and then, there are staff lawyers placed there. In addition, as needed, there are private lawyers who come and

serve the region if there are conflicts and that kind of thing. There is a range of factors that are looked at. The population of the region is one, the numbers of inmates, historical patterns in the courts, all those kinds of things. There is no magic formula, but I do not think there are any major disparities at this time.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Picco, Mr. Ootes. I will remind Members we are dealing with directorate. We will deal with directing, financial management services, and policy and planning. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister give us an update on the Department of Justice and division? Administration of Justice was seen as one of the fundamental requirements necessary in Nunavut. What is happening in that regard from a general overview under directorate? Then, I have more specific questions related to access of information. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. By the way, Mr. Krutko, your time was up. I recognized Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Indeed, Justice has been identified, naturally, as one of the arms of government that is fundamental or basic during the set up of Nunavut, besides the legislative, the executive and others which have to be there. One of the areas the different parties, the federal government, the GNWT and NTI has agreed on, is a recommendation by the people of Nunavut through various means, such as the NIC, to set up a single level trial court. This is something we have agreed that we would work toward leading up to Nunavut. There are several factors that would affect how far along that could get. One of several reasons why this is important is exactly what Mr. Evaloarjuk had spoken about and that is Justice needs to be timely. Mr. Evaloarjuk spoke of how difficult it was for people who are charged with an offence who have to wait in their communities and made to wait time and time again as a court date is deferred. This is one of the reasons why this is an issue being discussed as we move toward division. There is work being done on things like legal registries. There are issues we are dealing with on how the Nunavut government will work with the GNWT in ensuring its legal registries is workable. There are logistics being worked on and things like statute revision which I spoke briefly about yesterday that we are working on currently among others. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On a more specific note, could the Minister indicate what is happening with the outstanding Labour Standards Board appointment?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Labour Standards Board had some vacancies and I believe the various parties were asked for recommendations for nominations including Members of the Legislative Assembly. Names were put forward. I understand there were interviews done. Although, I do not have a specific date on when the appointments would be, we are at the tail end of formalizing the appointments.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Considering this process has been going on for many, many months now, will the appointments be made before division?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am hoping they will be made during this fiscal year.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Then, by March, 1999, this fiscal year, is that the right date I am looking at here or this fiscal year March 31, 1998? Thank you. I am so eager for division I am getting ahead of myself.

Access to Information, I would like to have some information on that. I understand what was intended to be a straightforward transparent process for the public to get information from the government, has been turned into a very, very complicated process that even the people trying to implement it, have trouble understanding it. It is taking an inordinate amount of time and resources to process even the simplest request. If you do it right, you never have to respond because you can keep it bouncing around in the system. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

In terms of time line, Mr. Minister, I think you nodded, but unfortunately it is not written. Perhaps, you can say yes now. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

First, on the board appointments, I did indicate that it would be my preference the appointments be made in the next six weeks. It would depend on how far along in the process we are. I do know that, from the last correspondence I saw, we were very close to finalizing the appointments. On the Access to Information, the Department of Justice is charged with the task of coordinating access to information requests. This is something relatively new in the last year or so. It is certainly something the government is working its way through. There may be specific cases, as the Member mentioned, that are slow and cumbersome. If that is the case, then it would have more to do with growing pains, I would think, rather than any kind of effort to slow information down.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was talking to a person responsible for looking at overseeing this particular act in the department. I was physically in the office and saw the volume of paper and the amount of work, rigmarole and hoops. I can tell you very clearly, my opinion is not just an individual circumstance, but there appears to be an implementation problem and a procedural problem where it is almost like a sense of overkill in terms of the requirements. I would ask if the departments were polled, what kind of

response would you get, that it is wonderful, that there is the odd glitch or that we have created something of a nightmare in terms of implementing which was supposed to be a simple act? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to ask Mr. Cooper to respond to that question.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Cooper.

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Cooper

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to reiterate what the Minister said with respect to the fact, the act is relatively new. It is a little over a year old and that neither the public nor the departments have a great deal of experience with it. Some access requests are straightforward and can be dealt with very simply and very quickly. Others are more difficult to deal with if the person requesting is asking for access to Cabinet documents, privilege documents and this sort of thing or wish to access a broad range of documents going back in time, ten or fifteen years, then the requests are more difficult. Perhaps within another year, we will, as a government, be evaluating how the act is working. Once we have had more experience with it and, at that time, perhaps look at making some changes. I know this act, Mr. Chairman, is difficult to administer. It causes great problems in almost every jurisdiction. We are not unique. If there are problems, then, we are not at all unique. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Your time is up. We are dealing with directorate. I would remind Members to deal with issues relating to that heading. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the directorate division is responsible for the senior management of the department, including monitoring goals and objectives and personnel services. On the question of personnel services, in response to an old question today, it was pointed out that there is no specific staffing function located at the Baffin Correctional Centre. Why is that?