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Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If this government indicated that it wished the RCMP in certain communities and in certain numbers, the RCMP would oblige, but we would have to pay for it? Is that correct?

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If they obliged, then, we would have to pay for at least 70 per cent of it. I have to clarify that we are barely in the position to make that type of request. As Mr. Grimmer, of the RCMP will likely explain tomorrow, the RCMP also has very tight budgets, and in fact, they are dealing with some very difficult constraints which they are, rather than thinking of expanding out and adding numbers, they are in a position of thinking about where to reduce. I think that should be clarified tomorrow.

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the information on the briefing tomorrow, but that does not bring the information out to the public very well. My concern is, the people in the small communities do not understand why they do not qualify for RCMP presence. As an example, in the past, RCMP officers have stated more than once that they would prefer not to be the only officer in the communities. They would like support. In other words, they work better with two police officers rather than one. This was a concern as far as finding RCMP officers to stay in small communities because of the pressure on the RCMP officer. I recognize that. However, the communities are now asking how can this government expect a by-law officer to do the same job as a police officer, that the police would not do alone, but they expect the by-law officer to do it now, for less money? This is part of the concern I have right now. How are we going to address that situation? In Sachs Harbour, for instance, I have been advised that after the police officer was removed, and they did sign an MOU with the department, all they received was $3,000 toward the cost of supplying police services. Obviously, the question was where can you find someone who is willing to get shot at for $3,000? That was basically the way it was put to me. You cannot expect the small communities to supply the services that a fully-fledged RCMP would not supply on his own. They wanted backup services and nobody can blame them. That is my concern right now. How are we going to address bringing back safe police services like we said we were going to? Vision of safe and secure communities, supported and protected by an accessible, responsive and effective justice system. That is my concern right now. The people in the community are realizing that it is not that easy to supply police services, and they are requesting full RCMP services. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, there are some points there. The first one about why the RCMP have suggested that a one person detachment is not the greatest idea, as I understand it, the reason for that is a safety issue and has to do with minimum standards, in today's standards, that you would expect a police force to have if they were to be in a particular area. There are things like call-out time and the amount of time that one particular staff might be on call. It is important to point out that the Community Constable By-law Program does not give you a full-time, full-service police officer. What you get with this program, in most cases, is a by-law officer who is better trained, who now has been training in things like law, self-defence, firearms and community policing, who is now appointed as a peace officer and has the power of arrest, where otherwise there would not have been a person in that position if this program was not there. In most cases, rather than setting a full-service police officer, what you are doing is enhancing safety and security in the communities. That is the main idea because of the fact that we cannot afford all these extra officers in the different communities.

On the costing issue, I would have to check on that but I would imagine that in most cases the extra funding is for the training and for the extra time that a by-law officer who is already working in and budgeted for by a hamlet, it is to top up the money that is already there.

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. It is almost 6:00 p.m. We are dealing with law enforcement. I am inclined to recognize the clock at this time. Agreed?

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I will recognize the clock. I thank the Minister. I will rise and report progress. Thank you.

Committee Motion 16-13(5): Recommendation To Formulate A Strategic Plan For Policing In The Western Territory And Nunavut
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The House will come back to order. We are on item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Ningark.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99 and Committee Report 05-13(5) and would like to report progress with one motion being adopted. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.

Thank you.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Seconded by Mr. Evaloarjuk. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed. The motion is carried. Item 21, third reading of bills. Mr. Erasmus.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to return to item 13, tabling of documents.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to return to item 13, tabling of documents. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus, you have unanimous consent.

Tabled Document 51-13(5): Package Of Three Letters From Allice Legat Re: Termination Of NWT Ski Coach
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. I wish to table a package of letters I have received from Yellowknife Ski Club member, Allice Legat, which expresses her concerns regarding the recent termination of the NWT Ski Club. Thank you.

Tabled Document 51-13(5): Package Of Three Letters From Allice Legat Re: Termination Of NWT Ski Coach
Revert To Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Item 22, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, there are meetings for tomorrow morning, at 9:00 a.m., of the Standing Committee on Government Operations, at 11:00 a.m., of the Ordinary Members' Caucus and at 11:45 a.m., a lunch briefing with the RCMP.

Orders of the day for Thursday, February 19, 1998:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions

5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Oral Questions

7. Written Questions

8. Returns to Written Questions

9. Replies to Opening Address

10. Petitions

11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

13. Tabling of Documents

14. Notices of Motion

15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills

16. Motions

17. First Reading of Bills

- Bill 5, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act, No. 2

- Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Territorial Court Act

- Bill 9, Loan Authorization Act, 1998-99

- Bill 12, Write-Off of Debts Acts, 1997-98

18. Second Reading of Bills

19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Bill 6, An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act

- Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99

- Bill 11, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1997-98

- Committee Report 02-13(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 03-13(5), Standing Committee on Infrastructure, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 04-13(5), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 05-13(5), Standing Committee on Social Programs, Report on the 1998-99 Estimates

- Tabled Document 15-13(5), 1998-99 Budget Address

- Tabled Document 19-13(5), Guidelines for Implementing Public/Private Partnerships

20. Report of Committee of the Whole

21. Third Reading of Bills

22. Orders of the Day

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. This House stands adjourned until Thursday, February 19, 1998, at 1:30 p.m.

--ADJOURNMENT