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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One moment please. Mr. Chairman, if the Member is referring to the aboriginal justice directorate, that is, as I understand it, part of the Federal Department of Justice and not the GNWT Department of Justice.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What role does the Government of the Northwest Territories play with regard to this? You said it is a federal responsibility but is there any role for the GNWT to play with regard to the way the aboriginal justice directorate administers efforts in the territories?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As far as I understand, there is very little direct involvement. The Department of Justice assists, however, in communicating between this federal directorate and communities as they are working through funding contribution processes.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to the proposal that was put forth regarding facilities, camps for young offenders or low-risk inmates, will this department consider looking at proposals from aboriginal groups or organizations that may want to consider housing inmates within facilities they already own?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, this area will be covered later on under the community justice and corrections activity. In general, the response would be, we are interested in speaking with individuals and groups that would like to start up, or see if they could start up a correctional type camp or facility that is within the scope I had talked about in the House the other day.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Directorate. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask you for direction. May I continue my questions with regard to my previous question asking about the possibility of groups who may consider putting forth a proposal to this department regarding these camps? May I continue my questioning under the directorate?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I am advised this question is better directed under community justice and corrections. At this time, however, I will allow the Minister to respond. I caution the Members to try and stick to the item under the heading directorate at this time.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, I do not think there was a question, but if I could anticipate one, the way the department funds these types of young and adult offender camps, is through a per diem basis of x dollars a day, whichever it is, per inmate or offender.

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The Chair John Ningark

Directorate. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question deals more with policy than the planning of this division, so it falls within the directorate. The reason I am asking my question is, there have been attempts made by the people I represent in the Mackenzie Delta region to look at the possibility of some mechanism for looking at proposals. They were considering looking at the whole area of developing infrastructures. The proposal that was put forth by Fort Resolution and Aklavik, there was something like $50,000 spent to look at developing such a proposal at one time. It seemed like the policy of this government has been changed and they basically backed away from that proposal. I see there are initiatives such as the Gwich'in who have developed the Tl'oondih healing camp, which cost them in the area of $2 million. There already is a facility built and the only cost to this government will be for operating the camp facility and securing the inmates, which is no additional cost of where we see in the budget of over $2 million, which is going to go to pay for the extra cost that has been associated through supplementary appropriation because of the costs to this government of the amount of inmates we have versus the amount of guards and overtime that is being put in.

It is because of that initiative we should seriously consider looking at changes to the policy to allow for such proposals to come forth, if they are financially sound. I am asking the government if they would consider such a policy change in this government of looking at that type of arrangement to allow for the aboriginal organizations to develop infrastructures for the Department of Justice, which may already be built. Therefore, the cost to this government is only a matter of leasing the facility or the cost of guards and what not that will be needed to ensure the inmates are held securely.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What we are talking about are two different classes of facilities. One, that the Member mentioned was the one-time planned community corrections centre, that was planned but did not materialize in Aklavik and in Fort Resolution. I understand that one of the reasons they did not materialize was because the operations and maintenance costs for operating these two facilities was quite high and in the long-term they would have proved to be much more expensive.

The other class of facilities, if I could, many of these facilities are adult offenders camps. There are, as I understand it, proposals from the Aklavik Indian Band for some camps. For at least one of the proposals they are very close to finalizing an agreement. Those are the types I did say in the House the other day, we are willing to move forward on. In terms of what we can do in the future, we can keep talking and discussing what we might want to do as government, what the community wants to do and what the region wants to do, but in the end, it will be the resources or the dollars which dictates what we can do.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Your time is up. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Further to my earlier questions about the supplementary appropriations, the Minister had indicated there was $1.6 million, for the 1998-99 fiscal year, a rebasing. Can we be confident, then, that the department will not bring forward another request for supplementary funding during the fiscal year?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Mr. Chairman, before Mr. Cooper attempts to clarify even further what I had tried to answer before, the short answer to Mr. Erasmus is that we do not know that we will be asking for supplementary appropriations. There are several factors that might cause it. One is the policing contract. There is a nationwide issue and possible benefit changes and if that does go ahead, that would affect the GNWT and our contributions. We have the legal aid budget which I am unsure of right now if it is on track or not. Mr. Cooper could perhaps shed some more light on that.

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The Chair

The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Cooper.

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Cooper

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department received a rebasing of some $900,000 for an anticipated shortfall in the 1997-98 fiscal year. An additional $1.6 million has been approved for supplementary appropriation for 1997-98. That is for staffing deficiencies so there will be additional guards and classification officers hired. We are in the process of hiring them now for the Baffin Correctional, South Mackenzie and YCC. The previous Minister of Justice, the Honourable Kelvin Ng commissioned a study and a report by an expert. The first part of that report indicated the staffing was most necessary, if nothing else, a safety factor. The second part of

that report will be forthcoming in March. It is anticipated it will identify further deficiencies in corrections, some of which have been spoken of by Members here today. Minister Arlooktoo, together with some Cabinet colleagues, will look at that report and decide what action to take in response to it. It may possibly result in looking for further appropriation.

As for legal aid, it has been cut quite severely in the last two years. It is having a great deal of difficulty living with the budget it has, and we anticipate that the chairperson of the legal services board will be requesting additions to that budget, but it has not been quantified as yet.

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The Chair Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Cooper. For the record, we are on Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99, Department of Justice directorate, total operations and maintenance, $3.801 million. I have Mr. Erasmus and Mr. Picco. Mr. Erasmus.