Thank you. Proceed please, Mr. Krutko.
Debates of Feb. 9th, 1998
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Committee Motion 8-13(5): To Defer Further Consideration Of The Activity Emergency Services, Department Of Maca
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The Chair John Ningark
Committee Motion 9-13(5): To Ensure Regular Inspections Of Fire Safety Equipment And Fire Safety Training
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs take the necessary steps to improve coordination of community fire departments to ensure that there are regular inspections of the fire safety equipment and the appropriate fire safety training is provided on a continuous basis.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The motion as written form is being circulated. We will wait momentarily before we can proceed with the motion.
I believe the motion is being circulated already. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? Thank you. All those opposed? The motion is carried. Total operations and maintenance, $710,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Thank you. Move to page 4-9, emergency services, building and works, headquarters. Total region, $70,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Thank you. Total building and works, $70,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Thank you. Acquisition of equipment, headquarters, total region, $30,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Thank you. Total equipment, $30,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Thank you. Total activity, $100,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Move to page 4-10, community monitoring and evaluation, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $924,000. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to the community monitoring and evaluation, a lot of times communities feel like they are not being fairly distributed when it comes to the whole community planning dollars and the way that the formula works to ensure communities have the same type of training. When it comes to developing a community plan, I will use Aklavik for instance, where they seem to really have a lack of resources to ensure they have gravel available to the community to upgrade roads and what not. Yet, in the budgets that they get, there is no real $30,000 or $40,000, but in order for them to require that gravel, it is going to cost them a lot more because they do not have a source in the community. When we talk about supporting community governments, we also have to ensure they understand the way the capital budgets are allocated and the formula that is being used by the departments.
I would like to ask the Minister exactly when they do the evaluation and monitor the communities, do they look at what some communities have and what other communities do not have to try to work it in so that eventually they will all have the same equipment, infrastructure and ensure that all the dollars are there for training and consultation. So that when they do take something on, they know they are not going to get anything less than anybody else?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is one of the initiatives we have taken up under the Municipal Financing Review, the concerns that the Member is raising so that we are fair with all the communities. We are doing this initiative right now. Thank you.
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Thank you. Total operations and maintenance. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to this evaluation monitoring, how often do you go into the communities to do this? Is it annually or basically do you do it every six months? Especially coming from the smaller communities where your population is growing by leaps and bounds, but basically your infrastructure is not keeping up to it, you have to build in these factors. A lot of times you just try to keep piecemealing what you have got and upgrading by sections. I think at the end of the day, when you have new people coming into the council and what not, they do not really have an understanding of exactly how the formula works, how money is allocated or how you get your dollars. O and M for the communities is based on telephone poles, culverts, the number of roads and street lights you have in your communities. I think a lot of them do not understand that and they have to realize that the more infrastructure you have in your community the more money you get. Some communities have given up a lot of this infrastructure in the last number of years because of the situation we have found ourselves in, they have lost out. Other communities were able to get all this stuff in their communities before these cuts took place. There is a real imbalance there. How often do they have those evaluations in those communities and do they walk the new councillors through to ensure they have an understanding of how this formula works?
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The Chair John Ningark
Qujannamiik. Madam Minister.
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know that the regional staff visit the communities on a regular basis to assist them where they can. I do know when the new councillors get elected there is a councillor's orientation that takes place with each community. We are also preparing a new manual called The Councillor's Handbook which should address the concerns that the Member has. They are very good points that he is making. I will ask my deputy minister to elaborate more on that.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Ballantyne.