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Supplementary To Question 256-13(5): Benefits From Nwt Diamond Mining
Question 256-13(5): Benefits From NWT Diamond Mining
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 256-13(5): Benefits From Nwt Diamond Mining
Question 256-13(5): Benefits From NWT Diamond Mining
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the former leader of the Assembly of First Nations explained the logo that the organization had at one time, which had displayed a peace pipe and a tomahawk. He said it is always our policy to use the first and display prominently the second, which produces good results. I am sure that in this public arena where everybody has a say, there is a very strong reason to believe that the interests of communities, the leader and particularly the views of aboriginal leaders are always to be taken very seriously. I am sure. I am absolutely positive that people in the mining industry, BHP, would not make the mistake of misreading the potential and the cost that would be incurred if relationships with this government or with the people in the communities of the Northwest Territories became severely tested. Thank you.

--Applause

Further Return To Question 256-13(5): Benefits From Nwt Diamond Mining
Question 256-13(5): Benefits From NWT Diamond Mining
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance in relation to the public and private partnerships initiative. Mr. Speaker, there seems to be a growing perception out and about that this P3, as it is called, is $200 million possibly, of free money, that we will be able to have almost unlimited construction without really having to track it or possibly pay the tab. I would like to ask the Minister what steps he is taking to, in fact, ensure this very beneficial program will have the proper checks and balances? Is there clear information out there as to what exactly qualifies under this particular initiative? Thank you.

Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate, first of all, my honourable Member's question. I think it would be fair to say that, in some quarters, there is an expectation out there that perhaps is larger than it should be. I did have the good fortune this weekend, on my trip to Hay River, to meet with the NWT Chamber of Commerce and the Hay River Chamber of Commerce and give them a full briefing on the P3 and seek their input. We need to ensure, first of all, that there is affordability. I think that is priority one. Two, transparency, as I have said before. Three, in the selection of the P3 projects, they have to follow a certain criteria. It is not a goody bag or anything like that. This is just a way in which we can bring about the historical spending we have had as it relates to our capital projects. As I have said many times in this House, the last time we had $200 million to spend on an annual basis was over two years ago. We are currently spending about $130 to $140. We want to bring it back up. I would not want anybody, in the public particularly, to be given the impression this is a panacea for everybody's favourite project. The reality is, it will be very restricted. It will be very disciplined. This House and the Members will get an opportunity to see what projects have been recommended and more importantly, there has to be both short and long-term viability and affordability. The last thing we want to do, and certainly I want to do as Finance Minister and my colleagues in Cabinet, is to leave an inordinate amount of debt for future governments that is not affordable. There is going to be a great deal of scrutiny on these projects, and rightfully so. I hope that at the end of the day, we can get on with putting some of the construction industry to work, create some jobs and bring about some of the infrastructure we desperately need and currently cannot afford under the old system of capital spending. Thank you.

Return To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just to remind the Members that Tabled Document 19-13(5) deals with that specific item. You will have the opportunity to ask questions at that time. Mr. Miltenberger.

Supplementary To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question to the Minister then would be, are in fact the actual rules of engagement and implementation, the checks and balances, under development? Will they be in place before we start proceeding with any initiatives?

Supplementary To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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John Todd Keewatin Central

In terms of the identification projects, we are using the same criteria we currently use. There may be some new policies we need to put in place to give people the comfort level and the requirements that had been asked by a number of colleagues. We are working on that, but the policies of this government, as they currently stand, are what we are guiding ourselves under. At the end of the day, I think I have said, most of these projects will be RFPs. We need to find a way to be a little more transparent there and answer some of the questions of industry. I do not see the need for any significant policy shift. I see a need for maybe some improvement in the policy, some greater transparency, and on the fiscal side, to ensure there is an affordability issue. The rules we have in place now are fairly solid. They just need to be embellished a little more. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.

Supplementary To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Other jurisdictions have had much more experience than the Northwest Territories in this particular area. Some have, in fact, had their own fatalities, very costly ones. Many jurisdictions, as a result, come up with their own processes and procedures. Is the Minister going to check so that we do not, in fact, reinvent the wheel and then we can learn, hopefully, from what works and what does not work in other jurisdictions as well?

Supplementary To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I think there is a great deal to be learned, hence the reason we hired Mr. Coles. He has a significant amount of experience across Canada. I do not want to go out there and reinvent the wheel as some Members have suggested, with task forces and hearings and all the rest of the stuff. This is $100 million worth of spending. This government spent a billion dollars a year. We need to get into place some of the checks and balances that we can learn from other constituencies. We will do that, and we will have full discussion and full debate about it. I am prepared, this afternoon, to listen to any other suggestions the Members have got. The bottom line is, we want to get on the ground as quickly as we can, the infrastructure requirements of the constituency that we represent so it can create new jobs and new opportunities, et cetera. Yes, we are going to be doing all the things that my honourable colleague talked about. At the same time, I want to move reasonably quickly so we can get some projects on the ground for this coming year. I am fairly confident at the end of the day that most of the Members of this House will see the value of it. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Accountability
Question 257-13(5): Public/private Partnership Accountability
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus.

Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

February 8th, 1998

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of RWED on a matter that is not before committee of the whole. Mr. Speaker, apparently Mr. George Burne of BHP recently indicated that we should keep our noses out of the business of diamond mining other than to keep the roads open to ensure the businesses can get to the diamond mines. Mr. Speaker, when I was in London, I had occasion to meet Mr. Burne and to talk with him. When we were leaving, we gave him a book on Yellowknife, and he took a look at the cover. There was a cover of Yellowknife on there with modern buildings and everything. Modern buildings? Mr. Speaker, this is the same guy who is telling us to keep our business out of the mining industry because he thinks we do not know, he thought this was a mining town with little mining shacks all over. He also indicated that he did not think aboriginal people had the right temperament to be suited for preparing diamonds for market of sorting, polishing and cutting. Mr. Speaker, my question is, what type of skills are required for sorting, cutting and polishing of diamonds? Thank you.

Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this should be said. Northern people, particularly aboriginal people, it should never be suggested are genetically deficient in regard to those physical requirements that are required for sorting, cutting and polishing diamonds.

--Applause

I think people have said you need a lot of patience. I think probably better than any other people in the world, the Inuit, Dene and Metis are known for that. The traditional lifestyle and the culture of our people require a tremendous amount of patience, something that is not seen to be held in great value or in great quantities by the southern wage economy. We also require astute sense of sight, stable hands and keen appreciation for art and for fine lines and other attributes given to small things. These are all things that I think the culture, the

values and the lifestyle of all northern people have always required in great abundance. I know we do have them. There is no basis whatsoever for whatever policy the gentleman seems to have developed in his very short stay here in Canada with us. Thank you.

--Applause

Return To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier the Minister had indicated the fact that offering a peace pipe is a good method of operating with a tomahawk prominently displayed. I was wondering if his department and this government would be willing to offer this peace pipe and to assist people in training and other ways to help set up the basis for a secondary industry in the NWT rather than using threatening postures and the rest to force the diamond industry to begin a secondary industry in the north?

Supplementary To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If we do create the option and the possibility to access arrived diamonds here in the Northwest Territories, this creates a possibility to create a secondary industry. It would be logical to expect this government to provide training funds to make sure northern people, aboriginal people, are trained to take up the jobs that would be created as a result of this new industry. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus.

Supplementary To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister possibly elaborate on what is currently being done to help people get into the mining industry?

Supplementary To Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.