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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair David Krutko

Information item, active positions. Any questions on that item? No?

Details and works performed on behalf of others, total department, $2.369 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Page 3-20, Liquor Commission revolving fund. It is an information item. Any questions on that? Another information item is page 3-21, Liquor Commission revolving fund, active positions. Information item. No questions on that. Turn back to the program summary, which is on page 3-7, Department of Finance, program summary, operations and maintenance, $7.113 million. Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

No, sorry I was just passing a page there.

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The Chair David Krutko

We will do that again. Department of Finance, program summary, operations and maintenance, $7.113 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. The next item in the Main Estimates will be dealing with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Mr. Steen, do you have some opening comments?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and committee Members. I am pleased to present the 1999-2000 Main Estimates for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. budget of $60 million.

During the past year, the department has developed a strategic plan to guide our efforts over a longer period of time. We did that from a western perspective and considered overall GNWT goals, an environmental scan and critical issues. This planning exercise helped us to identify goals, establish our needs for human and financial resources, and state our anticipated results. We have also organized several Building Communities Conferences in western regions to listen to community leaders and discuss their ideas about community development.

Mr. Chairman, for the next fiscal year, the department is proposing a budget of $60 million. One way of looking at our budget is that about 75 percent of the total goes directly to community governments and organizations in the form of operating assistance and capital project funding.

Five communities receive their funding through Block Funding Agreements. This ensures that these communities take full responsibility for their planning and results. We hope to conclude a Block Funding Agreement with Norman Wells, estimated to be worth about $675,000 this year.

Mr. Chairman, the department has developed in partnership with other GNWT departments, a Building Communities Initiative. Building Communities, is focused on increasing community capacity so that communities can manage increased responsibilities as a result of empowerment.

The Building Communities Initiative supports communities in their planning, monitoring and reporting. The anticipated result of this effort is more self-reliant and self-sufficient communities. As part of the Building Community Initiative, we are supporting a School of Community Government with Aurora College and Education, Culture and Employment. The school will establish occupational standards for community government positions and identify the skill development needed for community employees. The school will bring together the training resources and programs of many different GNWT departments, federal agencies and aboriginal organizations. After completing their training, community workers will have accredited recognition of their program. This effort is expected to result in a more qualified and competent community government labour force.

Mr. Chairman, MACA has completed much of its preparations for Year 2000 planning. . We are working with FMBS to ensure that computer information systems are ready. An older information system used in assessment services is being replaced with a compliant system. We are coordinating the Year 2000 activities for the Territorial Emergency Response Committee. We are providing support to the NWT Association of Municipalities to help community governments prepare their computer systems for the Year 2000.

MACA is working with the NWT Association of Municipalities on the Municipal Finance Review. Consultations to review the options proposed for improving the financial relationship between community governments and this government will soon be underway. MACA also completed the municipal legislation review and presented that information to the Assembly as an information item. We will start the process of proposing legislative changes this year.

This year, we will also strengthen community fire protection services, by providing $ 400,000 dollars of additional funding to communities and by allocating an additional $300,000 to firefighter training. MACA works in partnership with community leaders and fire service associations to plan and implement these services.

Mr. Chairman, MACA will assist the Nunavut government by providing land administration services to the Department of Community Government, Housing and Transportation. The contract is for one year. It will be worth about $200,000, and includes a training component for Nunavut employees.

Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to report that MACA has made progress in its affirmative action efforts. At the present time, one third of the department's senior managers are aboriginal employees. In the Fort Smith region, 70 percent of the employees are aboriginal. I think that we have demonstrated that we can attract and retain qualified aboriginal employees and managers. This year we will develop a Human Resource Plan to guide our training and recruitment activities.

In closing, Mr. Chairman, MACA has made strides to manage change. I think that we are on the right track. That concludes my opening remarks. Mr. Chairman, I would be happy to answer questions from the Members. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The report from the committee, Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs assists community residents to organize and manage representative, responsible and accountable community government. The department is a service support provider. During the Standing Committee on Resource Management and Infrastructure review of the business plans on November 26, 1998, and the draft Main Estimates on March 20, 1999, committee Members noted the importance of specific socio-economic factors that have affected the overall direction and management of the Department. These socio-economic factors are expected to continue exerting pressures on the department's ability to deliver adequate levels of programs and services. Ongoing factors include a high birth rate, urbanization, increased expectations arising from urbanization, political uncertainty, increasing unemployment and low education levels. This may lead to increasing demands on infrastructure and existing programs and delivery.

In their review of the department's draft Main Estimates, committee Members concluded that unless the department receives significant infusions of revenue or initiates innovative and cost-effective ways of doing business, the department's ability to deliver satisfactory levels of programs and services may become increasingly difficult. The department projected decreases in Emergency Services ($515,000) and Community Development ($751,000) from the business plan. However, these decreases are more than offset by projected funding necessary for the establishment of a School of Community Government, chaired and administered by the department, $931,000.

During the review of the business plan, committee Members discussed the shortage of qualified staff in smaller communities. This shortage contributes to an inability to deliver an acceptable level of programs and services. In the draft Main Estimates, the department proposed the establishment of a School of Community Government to rectify the continuing shortage of qualified community staff. However, committee Members noted that staff should be qualified for their positions prior to the their hire.

The committee acknowledges that training of additional personnel to aid understaffed communities is required. But this training effort may be better developed, coordinated and implemented through the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, and Aurora College. The department's training proposal in its current form may not result in value for money. The committee has always expressed concern whether the department can continue to manage and deliver a consistent and acceptable level of services and programs to its clientele at existing and proposed funding levels. Committee Members noted that proportionately more funding is allocated towards social programs such as income support, when the best form of social assistance is a job.

During the review of the draft Main Estimates, committee Members reiterated their unease that $400 million is required over the next 20 years to merely maintain current facilities as they are. Committee Members further added that this optimistic estimation by the department is exclusive of any consideration for ongoing expenditure pressures. The committee requested a briefing on capital requirements for the department and other departments priorized by need, and a briefing on the formula used by the department to identify and categorize priority projects.

The department informed committee Members that the Response Committee is chaired by MACA, and also comprises the RCMP, Canadian Armed Forces, NWTPC, NWTAM and Industry Canada. With the advent of larger facilities and increased infrastructure in more communities, committee Members note that existing firefighting capacity in many communities might no longer be able to effectively meet the increased requirements. Furthermore, committee Members are concerned that Year 2000 compliance may not be fully implemented with a comfortable time allowance for unexpected developments. The committee is especially concerned about the Y2K compliance of computer and other technical infrastructure in the smaller communities where qualified technical personnel are either limited or unavailable.

The committee commended the department for the reporting methodology used in its business plan organizational charts. The methodology includes names and positions within each tier and section of the charts. The committee recommends that the department's organizational charts reporting methodology be made the standard for all other government departments and agencies in future business plans and appropriate documentation.

Committee Members noted during business plan discussions that the current allocations of water per capita in most communities might not be adequate for average use. The Minister replied that, at that time, she will be meeting with the mayors in early December, and will be discussing this concern among others and will report back to the committee. Mr. Chairman, I would note that this report was prepared when the Minister of MACA was Ms. Thompson, so that was why it referred to she.

The deputy minister reported during the Main Estimates review that the current water delivery and allocation criteria adheres to national standards of water use and that current standards for trucked water on a per capita basis in the communities exceed standards set for Yellowknife.

As the result of visiting Tuktoyaktuk in the fall of last year, committee Members became aware, first-hand, of the shoreline erosion problem in the community. Committee Members were concerned that the current operations and maintenance funding only provides a temporary solution to the problem. A more permanent solution such as a breakwater should be seriously considered and implemented as soon as possible. The review of the business plan afforded the opportunity for committee Members to discuss the shoreline erosion problem with the department. The committee looks forward to receiving further funding and project information from the department detailing funding for an effective solution to the shoreline erosion problem in Tuktoyaktuk. Mr. Chairman, for greater clarity, I would be moving a motion, with your concurrence. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Henry. To your motion.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the department's organizational charts reporting methodology be made the standard for all other government departments and agencies in future business plans and appropriate documentation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Henry. I will just allow the motion to be circulated. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those against? Abstentions? The motion is carried unanimously. At this time I would like to ask the Minister if he would like to call his witnesses.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Can I ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to escort the witnesses in? Mr. Minister, can you introduce your witnesses?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my right is Mr. Vern Christensen, Assistant Deputy Minister, and to my left is the Deputy Minister, Mr. Robert McLeod.

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The Chair David Krutko

Welcome. General comments. Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is more of a question than a comment. If the Minister could give the committee an update on the department's work with the various communities in regard to the Y2K problem since it was addressed in committee and Main Estimates, if there is an update on how that is coming along. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Henry. Mr. Minister.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will ask Mr. McLeod to answer that.

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Mr. McLeod.

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McLeod

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department, as indicated in our opening comments, has been working on the Y2K issue for some time. We have responsibilities through the Territorial Emergency Committee, but specifically with regard to communities we have been working very closely with the NWT Association of Municipalities and we have provided funding to cost share a position. That person has been travelling to the communities and has been working with the municipal governments to review their preparations for Y2K and also to identify the shortcomings and what they should be doing to prepare adequately for the Y2K situation. Thank you.