This is page numbers 491 - 519 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was education.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, I did have the opportunity to attend the workshop session over, I believe, it was a lunch hour, that was organized by the Member from Tu Nedhe. To that extent, I am familiar with Mr. Hartman. I am also somewhat aware of the issue of attention deficit disorder. It is one of the many special needs that we are trying to deal with in a constructive way as a government and, in fact, it is on the list along with FAS and FAE as I work with my colleague from the Department of Health and Social Services trying to pull together a more coordinated approach in dealing with those very critical issues. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is good to hear that the Minister of Education is working with his colleague, our Minister of Health and Social Services on the special needs in our classrooms. Mr. Hartman had tried to, he has never firmed up, but he made a statement at that time that he may be willing to come to the Northwest Territories to work with our teachers and our educators, our parents and our local education societies to help them with the special needs in our communities. Now, I know that there are many different special needs and he may not have benefit to them all, but I think that we do have to look and see how we can address the issues in our classrooms. It may not necessarily only mean just throwing dollars at the problem, but it may mean being innovative and trying things differently. Is the Minister, Mr. Speaker, willing to take a look at innovative ways and different approaches on how to meet the special needs in our communities and in our schools? Thank

you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, very clearly, as the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, with a budget of $170 million which everybody has pointed out quite eloquently is insufficient, I am definitely very interested and so are the officials of Education, Culture and Employment at looking at innovative ways to, in fact, see how we do business, how can we address issues working with communities and DEAs and schools to look at some of the issues that the Member has just touched on. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sometimes the answers may lay just across the street in some of the issues that need to be addressed in our education system as well as in our schools. Mr. Speaker, I know that in some cases the government has worked in a cohesive manner with other departments to enable programs to be carried out in the school. Like the Minister has just mentioned, Mr. Speaker, I believe he said it was a $168 or $170 million budget, the Department of Education has. But also, Mr. Speaker, I must bring to his attention there was approximately another $500 to $600 million that the government has out there and there are other departments that can assist with our educational need in our school systems. It does not necessarily mean the money has to be transferred to the education budget. What it means is that the government has to work as a whole on the education issue in the Northwest Territories whether it means creating economic development opportunities so our children can go there or creating opportunities through the Housing Corporation so that they can make use of the big shops that we have in our schools that sit idle. Those are the ways. Is the Minister willing to work with his colleagues to find other ways to work within the schools to develop programs, ultimately educational programs that we need in the school so that we can make better use overall of our government dollars? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Miltenberger

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member has succinctly and quite, accurately outlined, I think, an approach that we are trying to take, that the social envelope committees Members with the Departments of Health and Social Services, Education, Housing, Justice and MACA are, in fact, at the table trying to come together with a work plan as we were directed to as well by the social programs committee. But yes, we recognize, along with the Member, that the $170 million that education has is not the only money that the government has in the social envelope. We spend 60 percent or so of the government's budget and there is a lot of room and a lot of potential to better integrate our efforts to better coordinate what we are doing to come up with, along with the communities and DEAs and health boards, ways to integrate and make sure we are as efficient and effective as possible. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Final supplementary. As the Minister is aware the community of Fort Resolution is situated in my riding of Tu Nedhe. I have Lutselk'e in the riding as well. I know that local education societies are very, very involved as well as the parents in the educational needs of their children. I also know that sometimes, Mr. Speaker, when we seem to look too broad or talk a problem at too high of an issue, that sometimes you do not come up with the proper solutions and sometimes it is better, Mr. Speaker, that you tackle those issues at the grassroots levels right at the communities and right at the schools where our communities are willing to look at innovative new ways and look at everything in their community in order to move ahead on their education. Is the Minister willing to look at pilot projects or is he willing to also look, Mr. Speaker, at working with the communities of Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e on new innovative ways to meet the education need in their community with all the other departments in that community as well? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member from Tu Nedhe raises a critical issue and that is, in fact, how important the family is and the child is. It is the centre and the starting point for the development of our programs. There is a need to work back from there, be it to preserve language or culture, come up with a way to improve the education system. That is where you learn your values. That is where you get your start in life. Yes, as Minister, I am very interested as are my colleagues, as I have indicated, to sit down and work as closely as we can with the communities. I agree that a lot of the common sense, hands-on suggestions are going to be found in the communities. Very clearly, communities will not have a standard response to every issue and that the Member's communities of Lutselk'e and Fort Resolution probably have their own unique perspective and suggestions in how to improve their situation. I would be happy to speak on behalf of my social envelope colleagues that, yes, we are interested and I hope to in the not too distant future get an opportunity to go down to the Member's communities to, in fact, talk to the DEA. Next week I am heading off to the Beaufort Delta, Holman Island, Sachs Harbour and Paulatuk and Tuktoyaktuk, but I am going to try to visit all of the communities. Yes, I look forward to the chance to sit down with the Member and his community to, in fact, touch on these issues. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions again are for the Minister of Finance. Mr. Speaker, since the Ordinary Members of this House are being vilified in the media for not rushing through the education budget, I think it is important for the benefit of the public that they understand the rationale of why the Ordinary Members took their time with this. To that end, could the Minister please inform the House why did the Assembly during the budget session in the middle...

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

We have a point of order. Mr. Morin.

Point of Order

Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the greatest of respect, a point of order. The Member from Hay River continually mentions the Ordinary Members of this House. I am one of those Ordinary Members and let me assure you the Member from Hay River does not speak for me as an Ordinary Member. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

There is no point of order. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is good to get that clear. I am sure everybody understands that. Could the Minister of Finance please advise this House why we did break for one week in the middle of the budget session? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I will allow that question to be forwarded to the Minister of Finance, but I do not know if the Minister can answer for the whole Assembly. The Minister of Finance.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you have pointed out, I cannot answer on behalf of the Assembly. I can say that it was the government's expectation that we would come back this week after concluding the budget to see whether or not Bill 15 might be coming forward from the standing committee for consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the interest of a thorough consideration of the education budget, perhaps the Minister could explain to us why he took it so personally that the education budget had not been concluded on Friday to the point that he would comment on this on CJCD radio and, did he truly expect that education and the budget as a whole could have been concluded that day in the two hour time period before we had to recognize the clock? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I will rule the question out of order. The Member cannot ask a personal opinion of a Minister that is responsible for a department. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.