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Community Constable Program
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Ms. Lee. I have Mr. Miltenberger on the list next.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a couple of questions in regards to the choice of wilderness camps.

I did not get a chance to get clarification. The last response I heard it is the young offenders' or inmates' choice as to where they go. I am concerned, keeping in mind these people are inmates or young offenders incarcerated for a reason, and the camps offer a variety of services. Assuming the correction staff is doing their supervising and looking at the various case files and deciding what is best in terms of rehabilitation for the various inmates.

When that is all said and done, regardless of what the correction service may think in terms of the best-suited wilderness camp facility, can the inmate still pick where they want to go?

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe the department has in the past persuaded inmates to go to different camps. On their arrival, they decided they did not like to be there and had asked to be transferred back to the correctional centre.

That was done, taking into consideration the safety factor and so forth. It is a voluntary nature of this temporary absence. It cost the department some, because of the transportation to move them back and forth. They decide they do not like the camp and want to go back, and we have to pay for that.

My understanding of this particular temporary absence is that it is a voluntary nature. It seems to be the only way we could get the inmates placed in these camps. There is the rehabilitation factor there to. What we are trying to do here is help with the rehabilitation of the inmates. Forcing them to go to different camps has not been taken as a factor here. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I recognize there are a number of variables here. My concern is that if that is the deciding factor, and as the deputy indicated that with the communications being what they are, even though there is no big bin of brochures where they can see all the various amenities, word gets around that we are going to end up with a northern Club Med here with a couple of highly utilized facilities.

The ones where life is a little tougher, or whatever they decide, that inmates will not go. If they have the final say, it just seems to take the decision making out of the mix.

Are there conditions where if they go and come back, is that it? Or can they just go and come back repeatedly? What sort of criteria and conditions are put on this, so that it is recognized for what it is? It is a chance to go live on the land in a more rustic environment then you would have in a jail, but one that has many other positive factors to it? I have some concern here as to how this is being done, especially if it has evolved over time. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This initiative seemed to have evolved over time. Some of the bush camps have been there for a number years. I think it is a good program. We just want to see how it is and try to evaluate it.

I would like to know how this works myself, as the new Minister responsible for Justice, to see how we could make it work better. I understand there are concerns. There will be a review. Hopefully, we will consider all factors that go into the decision as to where these inmates go. Thank you.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Minister. General comments. What is the wish of the committee? Detail? We are on page 5, Department of Justice, total Justice operations and maintenance, $32,764,082.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

On page 7, Department of Justice, total capital $2,786,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair David Krutko

I would like to thank the Minister and his witnesses. What is the wish of the committee? I believe we have already agreed to deal with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Is that the wish of the committee?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair David Krutko

The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs, do you have any general comments?

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to present the 2000-2001 interim appropriation for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is requesting an interim allocation of $25,949,000. This includes $18,322,000 in operations and maintenance funding and $7,627,000 million in capital. The funds the department is requesting are required to support the continued operation of community governments between April 1 and July 31, 2000.

Of the total operations and maintenance amount requested by the department, $13,384,000 will be transferred directly to community governments. This represents almost 75 percent of the department's total operation and maintenance request.

The department's capital request is for approximately 70 percent of the total identified in the 2000-2001 targets. This reflects the fact that many of the capital projects that will be undertaken will be well underway by July 31, 2000.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the standing committee responsible for this department have any comments? Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee met with the Minister and his staff on March 17, 2000 to review the proposed 2000-2001 Interim Appropriation for the department. The committee made note of the following issues.

Forced Growth

The committee noted that in the opening remarks given by the Minister, the department gave notice that a "forced growth request for consideration of the Financial Management Board" was made recently but "was not reflected in the Interim Appropriation request".

The committee asked the Minister for further detail, and he explained the request is to ensure increased fuel costs are met for the remainder of the year. The request for $730,000 in proposed forced growth is still waiting for consideration by the Financial Management Board.

The department, at the request of the committee, agreed to provide further detail concerning the request.

Land Development

Committee members noticed that some communities received funding for land development whereas some did not. See page 3-4, Land and Buildings, Capital, Departmental Submissions, MACA, 2000-2001 Interim Appropriation.

In many smaller communities, capital projects including land development, provide much needed employment opportunities, and an important contribution to the local economy.

The committee reiterated its position for equal across the board funding cuts, instead of funding cuts to specific regions or communities.

The department, at the committee's request, agreed to provide additional details concerning all existing and proposed land development projects.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

The committee, in its review of the proposed 2000-2001 interim appropriation and the 2000-2001 five-year capital plan, noted that some capital projects were the subject of funding discrepancies. See page 1-4, Capital, Departmental Submissions, MACA, 2000-2001 Interim Appropriation.

Committee members were also concerned that funding may have weighed favourably for Ministers' constituencies.

The department, at the request of the committee, agreed to provide further detail concerning any funding discrepancies for its capital projects to the committee prior to the review of the proposed Interim Appropriation in the Legislative Assembly.

The department also agreed to provide to the committee a constituency breakdown of all proposed capital projects that were put on hold.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That concludes the committee's report.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Braden. At this time, I would like to ask the Minister if he would like to call in witnesses. Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Sergeant-At-Arms, would you please escort the witnesses in?

Mr. Minister, would you please introduce your witnesses for the record?

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have with me Ms. Gay Kennedy, the director of corporate affairs with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. The deputy minister, Mr. Dave Murray, will be arriving shortly.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. I would like to ask the Members if they have any general comments or questions for the Minister regarding the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs interim appropriation. General comments? Mr. Bell.

Funding For Capital Projects
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When we went through Health, we had realized that no forced growth had been reflected through the interim and they let us know this is because they feel they can go through the four months without relying on any extra funds.

I noticed Municipal and Community Affairs was requested to include forced growth in the interim by the Financial Management Board, but they did not do so. I am wondering why. I would assume there would be forced growth, as far as fuel expenditures and things like this. I am wondering if the Minister can tell us if those will not affect him or his department in the first four months, or explain exactly what the case is. Thank you.