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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Minister used a word I would like to repeat, serviceable. Starting July 20, the population of Fort Resolution is expected to quadruple. Many of those individuals will be driving into the community. I would like to get some kind of commitment that the Minister is going to ensure that highway is given a good once-over prior to that date and maintenance for the rest of the month, in terms of dust control, et cetera. Can the Minister give me that commitment?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I could commit to that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Knowing the fiscal situation of this government, the lack of financial resources of the department, there is not going to be chip-seal on that highway for a long time. I requested the department have a good look at certain portions of the road where the road is lower than the lake level, to look at some trenching to be done so the water can naturally flow. Can the Minister have a look at that? That will save a lot of dollars down the road in maintenance. It is a safety issue. Once we do have the money, we are almost ready to start chip-sealing in those portions. Has the Minister considered that and come up with any kind of decision on that? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the department will take the Member's comments and suggestions into consideration. If we can use any of this information, we will definitely make use of it. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. I appreciate that the department is going to have a look at it and I appreciate the commitment by the Minister. I would like to turn my attention to Highway No. 3.

The Member responsible for Highway No. 3 is not in the House, but I am sure she will hear about this. It is a safety issue. It does not matter whose constituents ride that road. If it is a safety issue, I think we have to deal with it. I have ridden that road on a number of occasions and it is rough. If people's lives are in danger, then we should address that. I am speaking particularly of the non-construction zone of Highway No. 3 between here and the end of construction. It is rough. Some areas are narrow and not passable. I think the people travelling that road, people predominantly from Rae-Edzo, Yellowknife and people from Fort Providence, a number of my constituents, use that road and are doing more in filling those potholes with the rubber from their tires and the broken glass from the windshields than the whole department is doing in maintenance.

I do not think that is right. I think the department should take an active role in maintaining that road while construction is still going on. The road is still being used at the same rate it was before. Just because there is construction going on further towards Rae does not mean they cannot maintain the section of road that is not under construction.

I think the Minister should assist the individuals who are maintaining the road with their rubber and whatnot by driving down the road and having a good look for himself, so he does not have to be advised by his department all the time when he is answering questions. He could give a personal reference to it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the department takes the Member's comments. They are noted. We will try and respond to the Member's concerns as to the ability to maintain Highway No. 3 in a safe condition. We believe it is safe. That is what the highway report says. The highways are in a safe driving condition.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to say here that we are considering other options for funding. At some point in time, we are hoping that some of these options will come forward and pay off. At this point in time, we cannot put forward any one as a suggestion, because there are none of them that are firmed up in such a way we could put it forward as a plan or strategy.

We do meet with people. We do consider proposals put forward to us. This is not just on a one-time basis. This is on an ongoing basis. Mr. Chairman, I hope the Members will continue to support the department in obtaining funds for our capital needs. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is this government the people's government or is it the department's government?

He keeps saying the department is fine. The Members, on behalf of their constituents, keep saying the roads are not fine. There is a safety issue here. You cannot put a dollar figure on one human life. I would not like to see anybody crash and burn on that highway. If that were the case, then some heads have to roll here. Before that happens, I think the department should address the safety issue of that highway. I recommend the Minister drive down that highway so he has a good look at it for himself.

At the same time, he can help out the many residents who are filling those potholes with rubber and glass. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have done my share of driving that highway. I can assure the Member of that. As I have said in the past, we would not have that highway open if we figured it was not safe. We have standards to measure safety and we go by those standards.

I am not saying the Members are incorrect in saying the highway is not safe. It is a matter of opinion. That is the point of the whole thing. The department feels it is safe and we are doing everything we can to keep it safe. I do not know what else I can do to convince the Assembly that the highway is safe. There is the option that if Members feel the highway is not safe, they can request we close it. I really do not have any more money to put into improving that highway in any quick way.

We believe it is safe. We believe the money we have identified here in this budget for operations and maintenance will keep it safe while we are reconstructing. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Lafferty.

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a number of questions. I usually do for Highway No. 3 and highways in general. Listening to his comments, I see a place where he explains where some of the funds were going for the highways, but then he did not explain how much money and what they were going to be doing on Highway No. 4. If the Minister could explain that, please?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am prepared to respond to the question, but perhaps we should wait until we reach the activity.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Is that acceptable, Mr. Lafferty?

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In his comments he mentioned that they would like to increase the roads to resources. He also talked about the Great Slave geological province. I have been lobbying for the Highway No. 3 acceleration, along with the MLAs from Yellowknife. Looking towards the monies they are putting towards Highway No. 3 and Highway No. 4, I wonder if one day the government is going to come back and say Highway No. 4 is going to be the road to resources. I think this government has the capability to make a long range plan and to tell the Legislative Assembly where the road to resources is going to be.

They have already had a study done. It has been in their hands for a number of years now. Maybe I am wasting my time in support of Highway No. 3. Maybe I should concentrate on connecting my communities along the way to the road to resources. This government has done these studies and the studies cost us money, but they still cannot tell us where the road to resources is going to lead from.

The communities in my region want a road to go from Rae-Edzo to the road to resources. According to the study it would be the cheapest route, the shortest, and make traffic safer on Highway No. 3. The volume of traffic will be less. The volume of traffic will be less on Highway No. 4. You will not have to spend on those million dollar corners any more. I am just wondering if the Minister and his department have a plan for the road to resources, then I can lobby which highway I should be going for. Maybe I should spend my time supporting other Members with their concerns over chip-seal and everything until the department makes up its mind on where the road to resources will go. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Minister.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in my time I have run into a number of roads that have been called roads to resources. In 1966 when Highway No. 4 was being built, it was the road to resources under the Conservative government. Then the Dempster Highway became the road to resources. I do not know where the next road to resources is going to be. We have not decided that as a government.

We have done studies. We have interviewed people. We have had reports written and as I said earlier, we are prepared to release that report after we have taken it to Cabinet this fall and come back to the House with exactly what we feel would be a strategy. It would not just be the road to resources included in the strategy, the strategy would include the development of all the highway routes in the Territory. I am not suggesting that it will be Highway No. 4 or down by Rae-Edzo that will be the start of the road to resources. I have not decided that yet, at this point.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Lafferty.