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The Chair David Krutko

Detail. We are on page 10-9, corporate services, operations expense, total operations expense, $6,474,000. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can we get information as to where we would see an adjustment for the pension area? Most departments have accounted for it under an increase in compensation benefits, I believe. Is it going to be found under each division on their own? Thank you.

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Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I will direct the question to Ms. Cook.

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The Chair David Krutko

Ms. Cook.

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Cook

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The increase in the cost of benefits is shown in corporate services under employee benefits. It is centralized.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. Mr. Roland, did you get that?

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So in the $5,112,000, that increase in the pension adjustments is included in there? Thank you.

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Ms. Cook.

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Cook

That is correct.

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Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, that leads to my next question. The revised main estimates for 1999-2000 show a figure of $5.7 million. Have we seen a drop in corporate services and then a corresponding increase? Can we get that information? Thank you.

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Ms. Cook.

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Cook

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, during the planning stages, we made an internal transfer of a portion of the highways function from corporate services, highways to the highways function itself. That was the portion of the highways function that relates to the planning group that actually does the planning for highways. They had all shown up within a corporate function, but they really are part of the highways function itself, so we made that change. It is about $1.5 million.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you, Ms. Cook. Corporate services, operation expense, total operations expense, $6,474,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. Under airports, operations expense, total operations expense, $18,749,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Thank you. Page 6-15, highways, operations expense, total operations expense, $34,947,000. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have some questions for the Minister about a tender that was issued earlier this year, and subsequently re-issued. It has to do with highway painting. The first time the tender was issued, there was only one respondent. It was a northern firm. This contract has for four or five years gone almost exclusively to southern firms. Earlier today, we had some discussion in this House about the importance of supporting northern business. The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development did confirm that his department spends an awful lot of money supporting the development of northern business.

I would think that if we have a philosophy that we want to encourage northern business, we would do what we could to try and get northern businesses involved in being successful in contracts.

In this instance, Mr. Chairman, even though there was only one tenderer, the tender was rejected by the department and re-tendered. I know I have talked to people who are familiar with contracting practices in this government and have been told that it is not unusual when there is a single tenderer, if there is something that is open to interpretation or if the tender is missing one line or something, it would not be unusual for the department or the contracting authority to approach the tenderer and ask them to either supply the number or work with them to finalize the price.

Clearly there was not a lot of interest if we only had the one tenderer. However, in this case, after the tender price had been published, the department chose to go back out for tenders. I suspect that we are going to be looking at a southern firm doing the job here.

Why would the department, in an instance like that, not follow a practice that has been followed quite often, and approach the individual tenderer and ask to have the number supplied that was missing from the tender document? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in this particular instance, I was not approached. It had not reached my level. The issue was dealt with at the deputy minister level or management level. There were no politics involved in the decision, as far as I know. It was strictly based on our policies. I can ask Mr. Howard to explain what the department did and leave it at that, because at this point in time, there were no politics or a need for a political decision. It was a decision based on business. I am quite sensitive to how my departments operate, both Public Works and Services and Transportation. Whether or not I get involved as the Minister, I am still well aware of what happened in the 13th Assembly. I play the game very straight. Unless I am asked politically to get involved, I do not get involved. I will ask the assistant deputy minister to reply to the Member as to what the department had done in this situation.

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Mr. Howard.

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Howard

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in the case of this particular tender, I would agree with the Member. Normally, when bids are received, and in cases where there is only a single bid, if there is a minor omission or some confusion about a fact or two within the submission, the department would probably go back.

Unfortunately, in this case, the bidder actually missed a major part of the tender requirements. The tender requirements requested unit prices on six items. The bidder did not produce any unit prices at all. He gave us a total contract price. The tender required he include a list of subcontractors. We were aware, because of the knowledge we have of this particular contractor, that he would have to have subcontractors. He had not included any list of subcontractors. We would not have known, for instance, he could have been suggesting a southern subcontractor because he provided no information at all. He did not provide any plant and equipment list, which was a specific requirement in the tender. Again, we asked for that very specifically because we know there are very few northern bidders who actually have the equipment and plant necessary to do the work. He did not include that. He did not include a schedule for the completion of the work.

So this was not a question of a minor remission or a slight deviation from the requirements of the tender document. In this case, major parts of the bids were missing and we had no alternative under the contract regulations, but to consider the tender non-responsive on that basis. Thank you.

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Mr. Dent.