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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, one of the questions that was asked yesterday had to do with the specific uptake on the bursaries that were awarded in 2000-2001. I have that detailed information.

One of the other questions that was asked by Mr. Roland yesterday was a breakdown under program delivery details, to break the totals down into what was compensation and benefits and grants and contributions and other expenses. We have that information as well.

Mr. Chairman, you had a question with regard to the money that has been expended to date for the Aklavik Health Centre, and we also have that information. Mr. Chairman, some of this information is fairly lengthy and detailed, so I would like to know if it is the committee's wish that I should read this into the record. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee want it read into the record or do you want copies of the information? Copies? Madam Minister, is there a possibility of getting copies of those for the Members of the committee?

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will undertake to make copies of those three items and circulate them to the Members.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Should we take a break as a committee until we get copies of those commitments?

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree to take a break while copies are being made for the committee?

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Some Hon. Members

Nay.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Okay. We will have the information copied and circulated to Members. With that, we will move on. We are dealing with directorate, corporate services, budget summary. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would just like a bit further clarification on an issue I raised yesterday with the Minister and that is this administrative problem between Education, Culture and Employment and the department in terms of accessing information with regard to SFA and northern graduates to try to do the work the department is doing with recruitment and retention.

The Minister indicated that they were working cooperatively with Education to resolve this issue. I would just like to ask the Minister if she could specify more directly what she means by "cooperatively" and when do they anticipate they will have this particular issue resolved? It has been on the table for quite some time now. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The deputy minister, Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as the Members are aware, there is a great deal of work that is going on in support of the Maximizing Northern Employment Initiative. As part of that, there is a deputy's committee that is expediting that work. Part of what we were looking at is a collaborative event not just between Health and Social Services and Education, Culture and Employment, but also involving corporate human resources, Executive, FMBS and all departments that would potentially be needing to contract northern graduates and finding a more efficient way to get that done.

That work has now really expanded to go beyond our two departments and include the others I just mentioned. So that work has begun just in that last few weeks. We are expecting that to be fast-tracked just in time for this year's arrival back of students. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The issue, at least as it is referred to here in the information you gave us, refers back to the difficulty of accessing, in a relatively easy way, information with regard to student financial assistance of students who are in the system, when they are going to graduate and where they are. It ties into the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. Has there been a way determined to resolve or work around this issue, other than trying to get everybody to sign some kind of prior consent?

I recollect, for example, when former Premier, Mr. Antoine, wanted to meet with all the students in Edmonton, he had difficulty getting a list of the students in Edmonton because of this access to information. That was the Premier of the Northwest Territories.

It always comes back to that access to information and SFA is locked away under confidentiality, even though we are all on the same side here on this issue. Could the Minister indicate if they have come up with a way or are they going to be able to target a way to resolve that particular roadblock? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Madam Minister.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As Ms. Ballantyne indicated, this is something that is being looked at within the deputy ministers' committee and it does require a written consent by the students that are involved. As to the progress of producing such a mechanism, I will let Ms. Ballantyne elaborate on that further. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

General comments? Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

I thought the Minister indicated that the deputy was going to elaborate on how this was going to move.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

The deputy minister, Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I indicated, this is an issue that is broader than just between Health and Social Services and Education, Culture and Employment. It has now been brought to the attention of the deputy ministers' committee, corporate human resources and FMBS is now very much involved in expediting a resolution of this issue. I expect that we will be able to report some positive progress on it in the near future.

As of today though, we are still utilizing the written permission of students to either directly contact them or provide them with information on the programs. We all recognize that is not satisfactory in terms of getting information out to students though, so we do understand the issue the Member is raising. We are working on that in that broader committee. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister also indicated in terms of the reporting systems that only Yellowknife is on PeopleSoft. I was wondering if the Minister could indicate what systems are the other boards using? What other systems? Is there a common financial system as well that is being used? I know PeopleSoft is supposed to do double duty. If only Yellowknife has it, what do the other boards use and how does it tie into headquarters? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Thank you. Mr. St. Germaine.

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St. Germaine

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The health and social services boards are using a variety of accounting systems. There are two basic software packages that they are using, one is referred to as ORMED and the second one is ACCPAC.

In terms of PeopleSoft, PeopleSoft is a payroll system. ORMED has its own payroll system attached to it as well, so they are using those accounting packages for the payroll. However, those accounting packages do not have human resource information, which is a feature that PeopleSoft has. These other two packages do not have that as they are purely financial accounting software systems. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So how are the health boards or the finance people who do not have them able to access the government financial systems? How is that information transmitted? One of the concerns is that if there is a problem with the flow of information back and forth and if they are using different systems, that has always struck me as problematic for an organization like this with all those pieces. Could the Minister indicate how they do this?

I notice they have indicated that in terms of statistics on the human resources side, they are manually correlated at this point and sorted through. In fact, there are no statistics on affirmative action for nurses and social workers and physicians to be provided in the near future. They are manually collated, I understand. Could the Minister indicate if they have the same cumbersome relationship with the financial systems? Thank you.