This is page numbers 1331 - 1396 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Supplementary To Question 412-14(3): Impact Benefit Agreement Payments As Income
Question 412-14(3): Impact Benefit Agreement Payments As Income
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps I will just rephrase that. Specifically, I would like to find out if payments that are received from the federal government to those people who normally receive the GST rebate, that is the qualification that the federal government has, if people who are income support clients of this government receive money from the federal government, will that be considered unearned income and subtracted from their support payments? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 412-14(3): Impact Benefit Agreement Payments As Income
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Yes. As I stated, Mr. Speaker, we, as the territorial government, incur the cost of heating fuel for income support clients, along with the cost of housing. Therefore, any unearned income is taken back. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Merci, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Braden.

Supplementary To Question 412-14(3): Impact Benefit Agreement Payments As Income
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further, this government is working on its own fuel subsidy payment, a one-time payment. If that goes to any income support clients, would it in turn be subtracted from their regular payments? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 412-14(3): Impact Benefit Agreement Payments As Income
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We should qualify that any confirmed purchases of heating and fuel oil by the income support clients would qualify as a fuel rebate. That would certainly be the case in the case of the territorial rebate for income support clients. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Ootes. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
Item 6: Oral Questions

February 27th, 2001

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is to the Minister of Finance and it is with regard to the fuel rebate. Mr. Speaker, I must say that in listening to the answer the Minister is providing in this House about this, I am very concerned. I am not at all impressed with the lack of respect the Minister is showing to the concerns raised by the Members in this House.

Mr. Speaker, at least a dozen Members have asked questions on this and I, myself, have e-mails and phone calls from my constituents. I have to return answers as to who is eligible, how much...there are so many unanswered questions. Now I hear the Minister was just planning on sending out a criteria and everybody has to go to these offices and deal with it.

Mr. Speaker, this lack of respect is making a mockery out of our procedure. I want to know, Mr. Speaker, does he at all care what he hears in this House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. I will just caution Members about making suggestions about intentions of other honourable Members. The honourable Minister of Finance, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, yes, certainly I care about what I hear in this House. I care about what I hear on the street and I care about the e-mails that I get too. I get e-mails as well. I get a lot of e-mails from people saying they want the rebate, they want to know how to apply, they want to know if they qualify, if they will get them, the same as everyone else does.

As I said, the Housing Corporation will be administering the program. In terms of criteria, I am certainly prepared to share draft criteria with the Members. I can tell you that all households in the Northwest Territories who own or rent a detached, semi-detached, condominium or row housing dwelling and directly purchase heating fuel, propane or natural gas, and who do not receive heating fuel subsidies, except for seniors, have a household income below the core need income threshold for the community they reside in, or do not reside in public housing or government staff housing, may be eligible for the one-time rebate.

As well, Mr. Speaker, all Northwest Territories households living in apartments or suites legally registered with the municipality -- row housing, condominiums and rooming houses -- who do not directly purchase heating fuel, propane or natural gas, do not receive heating fuel subsidies, except for seniors. They cannot be getting a subsidy from their employer somewhere else. If they have a household income below the core need income threshold for the community they reside in and do not reside in public housing or government staff housing, they may also be eligible for a one-time rebate of $150.

Now, Mr. Speaker, the Members have been asking me a lot of questions about other people, other situations, so I am working on that. We are working with the Minister of the Housing Corporation to try to refine this to make it better for the people who have needs. At the same time as I say this, we are trying to respond to your needs. I care about what you are telling me. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Handley. Supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The fact is the Minister has not answered a simple question of mine. What constitutes income? Mr. Speaker, I do not think what he has just read out is any different from what it was 12 questions ago. He was not even going to make this available to us if we had not asked for it. His approach is just my way or the highway.

Supplementary To Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Ms. Lee, would you just give him a question so he may answer it?

Supplementary To Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question only requires a yes or no answer. Would he answer to all to the concerns raised in this House in writing before he gives out the criteria to the public?

Supplementary To Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Finance, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, with all due respect, I am unclear on what the Member is asking. If she is asking me to provide written answers to all questions asked in this House, I cannot agree to that hypothetical...we have to be more specific. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Handley. Supplementary question, Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I learned in the House that when a Minister says, "Yes, I am listening to you and I understand your concern," I always thought that he will respond to it, but I guess he is not.

I want to ask the Minister if all the commitments he made in this House to provide us information on the suggestions and questions all the Members here have had about this program, would he provide us the answers before he makes any public move to give out this money? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Finance, Mr. Handley.

Further Return To Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as I say, with all due respect, I think all the commitments I have made in this House are already in writing and answered. Is the Member asking me to copy the pages out of Hansard again? I suppose I could do that, but the commitments I have made are in Hansard. They are there.

Mr. Speaker, out of respect for the people who need this money, I am not going to get into a long debate back and forth about what is meant on this that is going to go on for months. I intend to have this money in the hands of people who need it by the end of March. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Ms. Lee.

Supplementary To Question 413-14(3): Fuel Rebate Proposal
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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that he has clearly stated what his position has been from the beginning. He is saying that he has $1 million to throw up in the air, with unclear criteria, no definition of what the income is, who gets it, and it does not even have to be who pays the bill. Is that his intention, to just waste a million bucks away because...

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Ms. Lee, would you ask the question? Your last opportunity to ask the question.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister saying that nothing we say in this House really matters because he is going to do what he wants to do with that million dollars anyway? Yes or no?