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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Cleveland.

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Cleveland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The utilization rate, as the Minister indicated, is the total number of spaces available divided by the number of students actually there. We update those numbers annually, so we would be looking at the numbers that we currently have as we reach next fall as well. Generally speaking, as Mr. Devitt indicated, we look at construction or renovations when we are somewhere in the 85 to 90 percent utilization level. We are a little bit below that right now, but we will continue to monitor it. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Cleveland. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Was the determination of how many students can be placed in the class determined in 1985 when the school was built?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Cleveland.

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Cleveland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The calculation utilization is done based on our current standards. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Cleveland. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So the current standards of the student-teacher ratio of 16 to one, is that the current standard they are using?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Cleveland.

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Cleveland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The standards are the capital standards that we have for all our school facilities. Most classrooms are constructed based on an expected class size of about 22 students per classroom. There are some smaller spaces in the school in our capital standards with about 11. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Cleveland. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As part of the utilization, do they use projections? How many kids are being born in the community and how many kids will be entering the school system, et cetera?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Cleveland.

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Cleveland

Yes, Mr. Chairman. We look at actual births as well as projections. As I mentioned before, we also do that on an annual basis. We involve the divisional education council and the staff in the community to assist in that process. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Cleveland. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Having 22 students per class, how many different grade levels are there per class? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That depends on the location and varies according to the school and the community. There could be a number of levels, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mr. Chairman, I think we are talking about the school in Lutselk'e and not various locations. I was pretty specific as to which school I was referring to. It is the Lutselk'e school. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We do not have that particular detail here. We can get it for the Member, Mr. Chairman. We just do not know what the mix of classes is in Lutselk'e.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

I would appreciate that information, although I probably know it, but it is good to have it on hard copy, Mr. Chairman. I would suggest that there could be anywhere between three and four grade levels that are in the same class. Couple that with special needs students, et cetera, putting pressures on the teachers. I spoke about that today in my Member's statement.

We are looking at a low level of graduation from our high schools, especially from those communities such as Lutselk'e. These are some of the symptomatic problems that I believe are resulting in the low graduation levels, resulting in low education levels, resulting in low professional levels of our people working on our behalf in our community governments, et cetera. Still, we use the utilization number to defend that we cannot invest into badly needed renovations or expansions of our schools. We know the problems, yet we defend it.

I do not understand where the department is coming from. Can I get some kind of commitment from the Minister that he will look into this, maybe even commit to me that he will visit Lutselk'e and take a tour around the school and get to know the teachers and the students a little bit more and really listen to the requests of the DEA personally? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Minister.