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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nunakput, Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to recognize Brenda Dillon from Sachs Harbour as a visitor in the gallery.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to finish off Mr. Roland's recognition of people in the gallery. I would like to welcome and recognize Brenda Dillon in the gallery.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. I think we have 100 percent recognition in the gallery today.

-- Laughter

Welcome to the proceedings of your Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

Question 351-14(5): Appointment Of Federal Negotiator
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today goes to Minister Antoine, the Minister responsible for the Intergovernmental Forum. Mr. Speaker, as we sit down now, finally, to start discussing devolution and start discussing resource revenue sharing, I think that the federal government is finally coming around and at long last seen fit to appoint a head negotiator in Mr. Peterson.

I would like to ask the Minister if Mr. Peterson comes equipped with a full mandate to sit down and begin these discussions on devolution and resource revenue sharing. Thank you.

Question 351-14(5): Appointment Of Federal Negotiator
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The question is directed to the Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole process of the intergovernmental forum process is finally getting off the ground. The federal government like the honourable Member has said, has settled finally on a negotiator. Mr. David Peterson, who used to be the Premier of Ontario and who is now doing legal work in Ontario has been appointed by Robert Nault, the Minister of DIAND to head up the federal government's negotiating team.

Mr. Peterson had already visited the Northwest Territories about a month ago for a meet and greet, to meet us and see who our negotiators are. There was work done during his visit. We have been ready. As the Government of the Northwest Territories we have our own negotiator, Hal Gerein. The Aboriginal Summit has Bob Simpson as their chief negotiator. They have their own team, we have our own team.

In meeting the federal government's team, the question of a full mandate came up. The process is to negotiate devolution from Ottawa to the Northwest Territories, the programs and services that still remain, as well as the resource revenue sharing, which is the net fiscal benefit to the Northwest Territories.

Upon meeting Mr. Peterson we learned that his mandate is to negotiate DIAND's programs and services to the Northwest Territories and we were hoping that he had the mandate from Finance Canada as well to deal with the net fiscal benefits.

Unfortunately, upon meeting Mr. Peterson we find that he does not have the mandate from Finance Canada so we do have a big concern here. The concern has already been relayed to federal Minister Manley last week by our Finance Minister, Joe Handley, and myself in Ottawa. We have to do some work with the Aboriginal Summit to see how we can move from here. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. supplementary, Mr. Bell.

Supplementary To Question 351-14(5): Appointment Of Federal Negotiator
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously a serious concern for all of us in this building and for all of the residents of the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker. I cannot imagine a government wanting to negotiate control, responsibility and authority for things like onshore oil and gas and minerals without the revenues that would flow from these activities, Mr. Speaker. It seems absolutely absurd. Would the Minister not agree?

Supplementary To Question 351-14(5): Appointment Of Federal Negotiator
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Yes, we agree that this is absurd. If that is all we are going to be negotiating then it is probably going to be a show stopper because the Aboriginal Summit are a third party to this Intergovernmental Forum process and the intention here is to talk about the resources and the revenues that flow from these resources. The intention is to negotiate this along with the management regime of DIAND.

It is a serious concern to all of us. It is early in the process. We have only had one meeting with the federal negotiator and it is obvious that we have some work to do with our partners, the aboriginal governments to address this issue with the federal government to see if we can expand his mandate or else try to get Finance Canada at a table, at a single table, that would be our preference and that is what we are going to be pursuing. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Do we have some indication then, if we are thinking of getting Finance Canada to the table on these issues for net fiscal benefit, are they willing to sit down at this same table and discuss resource revenue sharing, not only with the GNWT but with the Aboriginal Summit? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 351-14(5): Appointment Of Federal Negotiator
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. The honourable Minister responsible for the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, we had an initial meeting with Finance Minister Manley last week in Ottawa and following our initial meeting with the negotiator Mr. Peterson, we raised our concern that the Aboriginal Summit leaders are also involved in this process and the intention of this Intergovernmental Forum was to talk about devolution as well as resource revenue sharing. This was brought to the attention of Manley. He is fully aware of it. We intend to follow up with a letter from our Finance Minister to Manley to pursue that initiative.

This initial meeting, I think it was very positive. It got to his attention that we are very concerned about this and that we need to have someone from Finance Canada at this table along with David Peterson. Mr. Manley indicated that he will not delegate his authority of Finance Canada over to Canada to talk about net fiscal benefit, so there is a potential problem.

The other problem that we see is that in the Northwest Territories this Intergovernmental Forum is a government-to-government-to-government process with the federal government, the territorial government and the aboriginal governments. In the eyes of Minister Manley, his preference is to deal with the territorial government as a bilateral arrangement. That is a problem because our view here is that the aboriginal government want to participate equally with us with Finance Canada on this resource revenue sharing. So it is another area where we have some concern, a serious concern. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Final supplementary, Mr. Bell.

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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think clearly the last time Minister Nault, the Minister for DIAND was in town, he talked about a government to government to government relationship. A government to government to government negotiations. I think we took it at face value, Mr. Speaker. If there has been some slight of hand here and we are now finding out that we are willing to talk about X and not Y, or we will talk with you on this alone and we will not involve the Aboriginal Summit, as Mr. Antoine indicated, we have a potential show stopper here.

I would like some assurance from Mr. Antoine that we will be seeking help from the Prime Minister in addressing this so that this whole process does not come off the rails. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 351-14(5): Appointment Of Federal Negotiator
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Bell. I guess before we go any further I am going to start applying your rules, honourable Members. When it comes to questions, they should be short and to the point, concise and clearly put. The responses shall also be concise and clearly stated. I already have 11 people on my list and if they all ask three questions that take three minutes a piece we are going to exceed our time. Again, your rules, so I will abide by this. Please, in order to accommodate everyone let's have shorter answers, shorter questions.

The honourable Minister responsible for the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this issue is an important and serious issue. This is something that we are undertaking with the federal government. I would like to have the opportunity to speak once again with Minister Nault on this issue. As well, I will be working with my colleagues in the Cabinet to address the issue with regard to bringing this matter to the attention of the Prime Minister and his Cabinet.

I just also want to further note that last night the Premier, the Finance Minister and myself had a meeting with the leaders of the Aboriginal Summit. It was a very good meeting and we discussed this issue thoroughly. We see that we have to work in partnership with each other to try to address this issue. We are in this together and we are dealing with Canada, and we need to coordinate our efforts and work closer on how we are going to address this issue that is a serious matter to all of us. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Question 352-14(5): Cabinet Direction To The NWT Power Corporation
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following on my Member's statement about the confusion that goes around the happenings of the Power Corporation, we found out yesterday that in fact this Cabinet had given a directive to begin looking at one rate zone for the Northwest Territories. That work had been taken on by this Cabinet and the Power Corporation.

I asked the Premier yesterday in unedited Hansard on page 2256 about the clear direction given or if there was a reissued directive to the Power Corporation. Mr. Kakfwi stated that, "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I am not clear as to what form of communication took place between Cabinet and the Minister responsible and the chairman of the board in August." So even he at this point is not clear what that directive obviously meant in August.

Mr. Speaker, knowing that this is still hanging over us, and I am aware that when this issue first came out in the media I was concerned that there was no discussion about the subsidy structure that was in place, or what would be in place, I approached a couple of Ministers on that. I was not told at that point that this was off the rails and that there was direction not to proceed, so that is even confusing.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Premier, was the wording in the directive to the Power Corporation to stop work on a one-rate zone and pull it from the PUB? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Premier, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Cabinet decision in August was made with the Cabinet understanding very clearly that it was our decision and our position that further work and consultation on the one-rate zone be deferred until after an energy strategy is completed. The wording of the Cabinet decision we thought was clear. We revisited it recently. Politically we knew the decision we made. I will not get into an argument that it meant this and to somebody else it meant that. I asked the staff and the Department of Justice to verify what it was we understood. It should be understood, I guess, that as far as I know there was no communication between the Minister who was directed to initiate action to implement that decision and the Power Corporation. As the Minister indicated yesterday, a copy of the decision was given to the chairman of the Power Corporation and he should have understood it. He did not, and that was the extent, as far as I know, of the communication. I think that is where the difficulty is.

It was not clear to the chair and the board of the Power Corporation that this, in fact, was a clear decision of Cabinet and that they should be aware of it and adjust their planning to be in line with that. There was no directive given as far as I know, other than a copy of the Cabinet decision being given to the chair of the Power Corporation. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.