Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think one thing is certainly interesting to start this discussion off. The Premier, and I am glad to see it, that the Premier has said that he is willing to accept the conclusions and the findings of the Auditor General.
Mr. Chairman, I am not sure that the public will recognize and comprehend how fundamental a shift this position is from where we were a week ago. The Premier obviously was privy to the Auditor General's report in draft before the rest of the House saw it, and I believe the first interview I saw on it a couple of days before the Auditor General's findings were public was something to the effect that he felt that it was not that big a deal. She was going to have her opinions and we would have ours.
Mr. Chairman, I think the public can see just how ridiculous a statement like that is. Someone of her authority, someone of her credibility, someone of her respect, this is not something that anybody should take lightly. Mrs. Groenewegen has indicated that this report cannot be defended. It cannot be justified. It was absolutely damning. It was brutal. It was black and white and it was honest.
Mr. Kakfwi has indicated that the Auditor General was not privy to the politics of the day. She did not understand the political pressure he was under. Mr. Speaker, I would say exactly because that is not what we want. We wanted a look at the situation and look at the termination packages to determine whether or not things had been done according to policy, not whether or not there were political excuses that could be made for sidestepping policy, and there were mitigating circumstances and other things, because I will tell you, the public does not care. They only know that somebody got a whack of money that nobody else can get.
Mr. Delorey talked about the 30-year teacher who will not get the kind of benefits that one individual got. I think that is really what is eating at people. I should say, Mr. Chairman, that Mr. Bayly and Ms. Sorensen did what any of us would do; go into a negotiation for benefits and bargain hard and start high, and I absolutely would not fault them for that for a minute. Mr. Bayly got almost exactly what he was entitled to in his contract. We signed these people to lucrative contracts because they are at pleasure, and we can get rid of them at almost a moment's notice, as the Premier indicated. That is why we agreed to pay them significant money should they leave under unfavourable circumstances.
However, we cannot crumple up those contracts because we want to make it just a little more money, or a lot more money, Mr. Chairman. I think this situation amounts to essentially, and I do not want to get into rehashing the findings of the Auditor General, but in my mind, it is a significant breach of trust. We have a lot of trust and a lot of faith that he or she who holds the office of Premier in this government will do so honourably and will adhere to our policies and our laws because we simply cannot sit in that individual's office every day and look over their shoulder to ensure that they are in fact doing the right kinds of things.
I would like the Members of the House, with that in mind, to reflect on one thing. Can you imagine what would have happened if we were not able to pass the motion to get an Auditor General investigation? All of us would be none the wiser. We would carry on merrily. The money would have been expended. There would have been absolutely no accountability because the government was not prepared to talk about it. The situation would continue to repeat itself, I believe, in future.
In light of our fiscal situation, Mr. Chairman, I think we all, as an Assembly and the public, can see exactly the failings of a government that cannot handle these simple matters and follow policies and laws to the letter.
Mr. Chairman, in the next year, we have a $100 million deficit that we are facing. And make no mistake, Ministers will be talking to Members and we will be passing the message to the public that times are tough. We are going to have to cinch up our belts. There is no free lunch. The picture is not rosy anymore and we are all going to have to make sure that we economize and can get by on a little less. There will not be the kind of money that we need to make a significant dent in alcohol and drug treatment. The Minister of Health has already indicated that for our social agenda, we are looking at slightly over a million dollars. Mr. Chairman, paltry dollars when you really look at some of the money that we expend in other areas. I find that absolutely embarrassing.
I cannot condone the activity that has gone on here, Mr. Chairman. I would also say to my Cabinet colleagues across the floor who approved this money that I expect more. I understand that you were not involved in the negotiations, but you sat in that Cabinet room and you either decided to hear no evil and see no evil and just sign the piece of paper that allowed the funds to be expended, or you did not care. I would like to think you did not ask the questions. I guess I am a little more comfortable thinking that you were negligent in your duty in asking the proper questions, rather than imagine that you asked those questions, got these answers which so sicken me, and carried right on. But I will never know, I suppose, Mr. Chairman.
When I reflect on my career, after it has come and gone, one of my biggest regrets, I imagine, is going to be that I could not make this money come back. I am going to have to look at my constituents and the people who come to me for help, and in the back of my mind, when we are talking about significant money and programs to them, will be that $250,000 extra dollars we did not need to spend could have gone in some way towards alleviating some of the hardship and some of the pain.
Mr. Chairman, I guess when my career is done, I want to be able to look back and say that I was on the side of those who needed help. I do not want to be on the side of those who needed or got or somehow managed to finagle an extra $250,000 into the hands of a former aid.
Mr. Chairman, I believe, like some of my colleagues on this side, that this government is bigger than any one man, any one woman who might hold that leadership position. It is a collective and we have set a mandate for this government collectively and I believe there are other individuals who are capable of holding the office of Premier.
Mr. Kakfwi has done some very good things for this government. He has put us on the national stage, I will acknowledge that and I respect a lot of the work he has done, but I think we have come to a point where we don't have trust and we don't believe that we can carry on a credible government and I don't believe that we can go to Ottawa and sit down to negotiate devolution and other very critical issues... Mr. Chairman, devolution. Our attempt to get more control at this level. Have we done the kinds of things that would suggest to you that we can handle more control? Does our conduct warrant more control? I cannot imagine it does, Mr. Chairman.
We know that one of our biggest problems in dealing with Ottawa has been the bureaucracy. They are so firmly entrenched in their ideas of what we are actually doing up here that that is an uphill battle, Mr. Chairman. It is one thing to hear nice things from politicians, but we know the bureaucrats in Ottawa think one thing. They think that we have no idea what is going on and that essentially we are, and other colleagues have referred to us in this House in the past, they think we are a Banana Republic, Mr. Chairman.
They think that this is sort of run under third world conditions and patronage and these other kinds of things run wild. And who can blame them with the number of scandals that we have had in the last ten years, this is their impression. I think we have done nothing to deal with that impression.
Mr. Chairman, I am fairly certain at this point that Cabinet will vote as a block on this issue and that we will not have the numbers to force the Premier to resign. I accept that, but I think that because of that I am more than prepared and it is why I seconded the motion, to go to the polls and let the public decide if our conduct has been acceptable. I certainly think an election is the only thing now, Mr. Chairman, that we can do to restore public confidence and faith in this government. Thank you.