Thank you, Mr. Krutko. General comments. Mr. Steen.
Debates of Oct. 28th, 2002
This is page numbers 1197 - 1230 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.
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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I speak now only because I asked for the time last Friday for us to consider what is before us and consult if we need. I asked that we do this over the weekend. It seems that we all did make use of this time.
Mr. Chairman, in contacting my constituents I have to remind the Assembly here that I do not have the option of calling a meeting, going to visit my constituents over the weekend. It all has to be done by phone, and a lot of times when you finally talk to them they are not really fully aware of what is really going on up here. They remind me it is 800 miles away and that they are not the person on the spot.
They say they have put a lot of trust in their representatives, be it me or anybody else I suppose, and I would like to say one thing that none of my constituents were happy with what they heard was going on as far as the Auditor General report was concerned. None of them, but no one asked me to resign if I support the Premier. No one suggested I resign if I do not support the Premier.
What they said and made clear was, I am here, not them. I have to make a decision based on what I had before me, the information I have and what I believe is in the best interests of my riding and the Territory. That is what I intend to do, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. General comments. Mr. Delorey.
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Paul Delorey Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to make a couple more comments. I think it is very important that I bring out a couple points. We talked about this whole situation being an isolated incident, or not being an isolated incident, or is it why we are making our decision and what is it based on? Is it on this question?
Only I would like to just add a few things, Mr. Chairman. I have heard that in some comments today it seems to me I almost heard that I was sharing some information in the House on individuals' contracts. I want to clarify that I do not think I did that. I may have made reference to some conversations I had, I do not think I put any private information out here that I should not have. If I did, I am sorry, but I do not think I did.
One thing has bothered me all this time that these things have gone on, and I think it is an ongoing issue as to when you have trust and when you look at a Member that you have to work with and you have to respect, that sits across in a position of power to be able to make decisions for us in this House, and that you have to have the faith that you can work with those individuals and that they are going to support you as much as they are going to support anybody else in this House.
The last time that our Premier's leadership was questioned, we saw this gallery full of people. It was the only time in the three years that I have been in here that we saw the gallery full of people. Today, because the leadership of our Premier is in question again, the gallery is full again.
I think that I have to say this, that my position goes back a little bit further than just this one incident. It has to do back when this Assembly was full the last time, and the tactics that were used to pressure some Members in this House to make the decisions that were made. It is not in my practice, Mr. Chairman, to tape conversations, but I have one phone call that will not leave my mind.
As a Member of this Legislative Assembly, when I receive a phone call and I am told if you cannot stand up in this House and defend me and support me, you might as well pack your bags and go home. I wonder today if that same message is out there to every Member in this House, because it is a terrible way to try to run government, Mr. Chairman, and it goes a long way, for me, in making a decision. Can I support, go on, doing my job and think that I can represent my constituents in a fair, honest manner? It is a question I am having a hard time struggling with, Mr. Chairman.
I hope that because I stand by my principles, my morals, what I think is right, what I think is wrong, that I do not have to deal with somebody's wrath after, saying you did not support me, or you did not support us, so therefore, your constituents are going to suffer from it.
Mr. Chairman, my decision was made on my own, on my own beliefs, on the evidence that was before me. I am going to stick by my convictions because I have heard no excuse or no evidence in this House today that would make me change my mind in any way. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you, Mr. Delorey. General comments? Question has been called. Mr. Dent.
Committee Motion 36-14(5): To Accept The Auditor General's Conclusion Regarding Termination Compensation For Two Senior Officials (carried)
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Mr. Chairman, I will give you a motion so that you have a question that you can pose. If you have no more speakers, I will propose now the committee motions. Mr. Chairman,
I MOVE that this committee recommends that the Legislative Assembly accept the Auditor General's conclusion that the government did not handle the matter of termination compensation for two senior officials reasonably and with prudence.
Mr. Chairman, I would request that we have a recorded vote, please.
Committee Motion 36-14(5): To Accept The Auditor General's Conclusion Regarding Termination Compensation For Two Senior Officials (carried)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. The motion has been circulated. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour, please rise.
Committee Motion 36-14(5): To Accept The Auditor General's Conclusion Regarding Termination Compensation For Two Senior Officials (carried)
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Committee Clerk Mr. Inch
Mr. Dent, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. McLeod, Mr. Bell, Mr. Braden, Mr. Steen, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Handley, Mr. Allen, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Delorey, Ms. Lee, Mr. Roland.
Committee Motion 36-14(5): To Accept The Auditor General's Conclusion Regarding Termination Compensation For Two Senior Officials (carried)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
All those opposed, please rise. All those abstaining, please rise. The results of the recorded vote is 14 for, none against, no abstentions. The motion is carried.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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Charles Dent Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will make the second committee motion now. Mr. Chairman,
I MOVE that this committee recommends that the Premier submit his resignation forthwith as Premier and Member of the Executive Council.
Again, Mr. Chairman, I would request that we have a recorded vote.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
The motion is being circulated. The motion has been circulated. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour of the motion, please stand.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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Committee Clerk Mr. Inch
Mr. Dent, Mr. Bell, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Delorey, Mr. Roland.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
All those against the motion, please stand.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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Committee Clerk Mr. Inch
Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. McLeod, Mr. Braden, Mr. Steen, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Kakfwi, Mr. Handley, Mr. Allen, Mr. Ootes, Ms. Lee.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
All those abstaining from the motion, please stand. The results of the vote: yes, 5; no, 10; abstentions, none. The motion has been defeated. Does the committee agree that consideration of Committee Report 11-14(5) is now concluded?
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Committee Report 11-14(5) is now concluded. We will now take a short break. We will be back in ten minutes.
-- Break
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. I call the committee back to order. As previously agreed we are considering Bill 26. I would like to offer the Minister to bring in witnesses. Mr. Handley.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Does the committee agree?
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Agreed. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort in the witnesses. Mr. Handley, please introduce your witnesses for the record.
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Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, with me is Lew Voytilla, secretary to the Financial Management Board.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. The committee is now considering the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, operations expenditures, Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, special warrants, $279,000.
Committee Motion 37-14(5): That The Premier Submit His Resignation Forthwith As Premier And Member Of The Executive Council (defeated)
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.