This is page numbers 1197 - 1230 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is not too often that we have a full slate of people in the gallery, so I would like to welcome everybody to the Legislative Assembly and it is real great to see everybody out today. Welcome to the Legislative Assembly.

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

I thought that was my role. Thank you.

-- Laughter

That was my job. I notice that there are a few of the chiefs from the aboriginal groups here and I would like to take this opportunity on behalf of the Members to welcome them to the Assembly and to thank the many people that have come here since we opened the session today. Welcome everyone to your Legislative Assembly.

-- Applause

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to the opening address. Item 10, petitions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta.

Petition 4-14(5): Hunting Restrictions On Northwest Territories Highway Corridors
Item 10: Petitions

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to present a petition dealing with the matter of hunting restrictions on NWT highway corridors. Mr. Speaker, I have a petition containing 46 signatures from Tsiigehtchic and Fort McPherson residents. Mr. Speaker, the petition requests that until the NWT Wildlife Act is enacted all hunting restrictions, including those affecting NWT highway corridors, remain unchanged and no new hunting regulations be introduced.

Petition 4-14(5): Hunting Restrictions On Northwest Territories Highway Corridors
Item 10: Petitions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Bill 23: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2002Bill 24: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act
Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to report that the Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight has reviewed Bill 23, Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2002, and Bill 24, An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act, and wishes to report that Bill 23 is ready for consideration in committee of the whole, as amended and reprinted, and Bill 24 is ready for consideration in committee of the whole. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 23: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2002Bill 24: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act
Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Item 12, reports of committee on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Motion 16-14(5): Dissolution Of The 14th Legislative Assembly
Item 14: Notices Of Motion

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, I will move the following motion. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that the 14th Legislative Assembly request the Governor in Council to dissolve the 14th Legislative Assembly by January 31, 2003, to permit the issuance of writs for a general election for the 15th Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories;

And further that the Speaker transmit this resolution to the Governor in Council. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 16-14(5): Dissolution Of The 14th Legislative Assembly
Item 14: Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Item 14, notices of motion. Notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motion for the first reading of bills. The honourable Member for Nunakput, Mr. Steen.

Bill 29: An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2
Item 15: Notices Of Motion For First Reading Of Bills

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Wednesday, October 30, 2002, I will move that Bill 29, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 2, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 29: An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2
Item 15: Notices Of Motion For First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. Item 15, notices of motion for the first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Motion 15-14(5), Request for Special Audit by the Auditor General of Canada on the North Slave Correctional Centre. No response. This motion will remain on the order paper for one more day. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Minister Handley.

Bill 28: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, that Bill 28, An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 28: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. We have a motion. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour, please respond. Thank you. All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 28 has had first reading. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Handley.

Bill 28: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to proceed with the second reading of Bill 28, An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2. Thank you.

Bill 28: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking consent to proceed with the second reading of Bill 28. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Item 18, second reading of bills. The honourable Member for Weledeh, Mr. Handley.

Bill 28: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker,

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, that Bill 28, An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2, be read for the second time.

Mr. Speaker, this bill will allow the Workers' Compensation Board to purchase, lease and dispose of real property and to construct or alter buildings. The approval of the Commissioner and Executive Council is required where the value of the property or construction exceeds $100,000. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 28: An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. We have a motion. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour, please signify. Thank you. All those opposed? Thank you. The motion is carried. Bill 28 has had second reading. Accordingly, the bill stands referred to a committee.

Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters; Tabled Document 35-14(5), Bill 1, Bill 22, Bill 26, Committee Report 10-14(5) and Committee Report 11-14(5), with Mr. Krutko in the chair.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

October 27th, 2002

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

I would like to call committee of the whole to order. There are several items to deal with; Tabled Document 35-14(5), Bill 1, Bill 22, Bill 26, Committee Report 10-14(5) and Committee Report 11-14(5). What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to recommend that committee continue consideration of Committee Report 11-14(5), and if we should conclude that, to then move to Bill 26, followed by concurrent consideration of Bill 1 and Committee Report 10-14(5).

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Does the committee agree?

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

We will begin with Committee Report 11-14(5). General comments? Mr. Kakfwi.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are two issues that I need to speak to as we conclude this debate. The first is the Auditor General's report. I would like to make it clear, I accept the Auditor General's conclusion that the termination agreements with Mr. Bayly and Ms. Sorensen did not conform with our written policies and procedures. I also accept the Auditor General's recommendation that in the future, we adhere to the letter of our agreements and policies or substantiate on record the reasons for deviating from them. This is what she has directed.

I also accept responsibility for the termination packages that were negotiated with Ms. Sorensen and Mr. Bayly.

I also wish to reiterate that line Members of my Cabinet will work with Members of this Legislature to change the policies and procedures and improve upon them where needed.

The second issue I need to speak to is my desire to continue to serve the people of the Northwest Territories as Premier. I believe we have immense priorities and challenges facing us, and we can only face them if we face them together.

Finally, I wish to assure every Member of this House that I want to work with every one of you, in spite of our differences. Leave our differences behind so we can get on with the business of governing this Territory.

-- Applause

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

Could we have some order in here, please? Mr. Lafferty.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there has been a lot of discussion over the last few days among all Members with regard to the Auditor General's report and the implication it has for the leadership of this government. On Friday, my colleague Jane Groenewegen stated in the House that the Auditor General's report is not defendable.

Mr. Chairman, the findings of this report clearly state that the Premier knowingly contravened the policies and practices of this government. He gave public funds to personal friends without any justification.

I do not think there is one person in this House that would say that this is not wrong. What I do see as questions are raised which distract us from the legal, moral and ethical issue at hand. Questions are coming to me from my leaders saying that the land claim and self-government would be jeopardized if Premier Kakfwi is not in this office. Premier Kakfwi stood up earlier and said when he answered the question he is the man to lead us through the self-government. Is he saying that there is no one else in this House who can lead us into self-government? This government has a mandate to support all land claims and all self-government. Somebody gave the people in my riding, my leaders, the thinking that it is going to affect the land claims, which it is not.

This is an issue of breaching policies and procedures. It has nothing to do with land claims. Because of that, I received a letter from the Grand Chief telling me to resign if I do not support Premier Kakfwi. I will not support Premier Kakfwi. Mr. Joe Rabesca...(inaudible)...you will hear me.

Also, some Members feel that if there is a change in the Premier's position, this government will fall apart. This government is already apart. We are trying to put it back together.

Others are concerned about who would replace the current Premier. People think there is nobody else in this House who can replace him, which is not true.

Still others fear that initiatives that are started will not be completed. There are Members in here who are afraid that if they do not vote for him, things that were supposed to be put in their communities will not happen. This is not true.

I would like to ask each Member to look within themselves and look at the situation here. I would ask each Member to stay focused on the issue that we have at hand. I would ask each Member to consider the findings of the Auditor General's report and to consider the situation which led up to the Members calling for this report.

Mr. Chairman, as Members of the 14th Assembly we have created a living document, Towards a Better Tomorrow. This document maps out the direction that we have been following for the past three years and the route that we will follow for the remaining year of our term.

This framework is in place and will not change. Mr. Chairman, as Members we are forced into making a choice. This choice is forced on us because the high road of a willing resignation has not been taken.

As my colleague Mr. Roland said on Friday, personal agendas aside, we have an oath. We have to follow the laws that we set for ourselves. I will repeat the oath of office that each one of us took at the opening of this Assembly, as I did so almost one year ago today when the same question arose: do we have confidence in the Premier?

The oath says:

I will not act nor condone others in acting in ways which exploit, slander or discriminate against each other;

I will not act nor condone others in acting in ways which are dishonest or which exploit positions of privilege for personal gain.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask Members to consider this oath when they make their decision on the future of this government.

For myself, I know that if I am to honour this guideline I cannot condone this kind of action that the Premier has shown with regard to the compensation given to his friends. Mr. Chairman, I say I have no confidence in the Premier and it is time for a change. Thank you.

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair

The Chair David Krutko

General comments with regard to Committee Report 11-14(5)? Mrs. Groenewegen.