This is page numbers 695 - 716 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was project.

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Further Return To Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Question 229-14(5): Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Project
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The supplementary has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are also about this runaway jail we have. Mr. Speaker, before Cabinet decided to waive the BIP on the next phase of the new correctional facility, did they give any consideration to other potential solutions to address the cost overruns? Did they consider that their estimates may have been wrong? Did they consider the project management contract may have caused them to lose control of the project?

Did they consider that the design architects and engineers may have forgotten they were building a jail and got completely carried away with costly building materials, fixtures and furnishings? Did they consider how much cheaper it would have been to have built this facility in Hay River in the first place?

Did they consider how contradictory a message this would send to southern and multinational companies, who we as a government tell to spend their money with Northerners and develop northern industry? Did they consider how contradictory that message would be before they made that decision? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. I just want to caution Members, because I think there were five questions there. However, we will just use the last one. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it was an exhaustive list of questions, which are all very pertinent to this whole project. I would like to say that we have had extensive discussions internally about this issue. It is not a simple and easy issue. We are well underway. We are about halfway through the project and we find out that the costs are skyrocketing.

We certainly have to take into consideration everything that the honourable Member has said in regard to the cost estimates and management contracts. We talked about that, the design of this facility as well as the fact that Members from smaller communities would all like to have this facility in their community as well.

We have covered all of the areas here and the answer to the question is yes, we have had exhaustive discussions on this and it is still ongoing. We will wait for the bids to come in and we will evaluate those bids once they come in. Thank you.

Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the government, given the fact that they admit there are all these unresolved, unanswered questions, all these things that may not have been considered, will the government and the Deputy Premier agree to put this project and any further action on it on hold until these questions are answered, and not proceed to go to tender without the Business Incentive Policy in place? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this project is on the go. It is still in place. We have agreed as a Cabinet to waive the Business Incentive Policy on the second phase of this project. We will await the bids as they come in and determine at that time if this is the right course of action to take. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, putting together a bid on phase two of this facility would probably be in the $20 million range. This is no small undertaking for northern contractors to have done this. What is the government going to do to compensate these people who thought they were bidding under a certain, well-established policy of this government, who are now going to have that thrown out and a new process undertaken? What are you going to do to compensate those people who have spent that much money to put together those bids? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will move ahead with the public tendering without the Business Incentive Policy and evaluate the bids as they come in and follow through as such.

Further Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Supplementary To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from what the Deputy Premier said, it sounds like they do not already have the bids on the various components of this work. If that is the case, what are they basing the fact that there are cost overruns on if they do not already have bids for this work? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. The honourable Deputy Premier, Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the facility has been under construction for a couple of years. The young offenders' portion of it is already bid out and the construction is done. The central core with the heating facility and the gym has been built. The security system is already contracted out for both of these facilities, so some of the contract work that has been done already overlaps into the second phase, which is the adult facility. That is what we are talking about right now. The figure that the honourable Member quoted is a rounded figure about the cost of this second phase. Certainly we have considered all of these different aspects. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Question 230-14(5): Alternatives To Suspension Of The Bip
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, Mr. Roland.

Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services. Mr. Speaker, I had some correspondence go across my desk regarding the health board situation in the Inuvik region and the impacts that will probably come about as a result of some reorganization as the department looks at a health board for the Sahtu. I was able to see the correspondence the Minister copied me. He contacted the health board in Inuvik.

I would like to know from the Minister, when will they be done looking at the impacts and what the reorganization might entail? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Return To Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I anticipated talking about this over lunch tomorrow, but I would be glad to answer this question in the House. The Member raises some good questions. In fact, this process has not moved as fast as we had anticipated. We are still working with the people in the Sahtu, the leadership in the Sahtu, to gather them together to have very preliminary discussions on the process within the Sahtu, the type of board structure we would be putting in place for a regional board and those kinds of very fundamental issues.

We are trying to work back on that issue alone from September. We had targeted the end of September as a time by which we would like to be able to determine those questions. We are keeping the Inuvik board apprised, through the chair and the CEO, of things that are happening. We have not struck a working group to even look at the issues the Member raises in terms of the impact on the Inuvik board as it now exists and what would become part of the Sahtu board.

When we do that, Mr. Speaker, there will be full consultation and involvement and the affected MLAs will be kept fully apprised of the process and the results of the process. In fact, they will be involved in the process. Thank you.

Return To Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Supplementary To Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hopefully, as the Minister stated, we will be involved in the process and consultation will be much more than we have become accustomed to on this side of the House, where we are advised as things are moving along what decisions have already been made.

My concern is for the residents and the impact in the community and region. The Minister stated that in September there should be some work done. What is the intention at that point to do a costing of this? If that is the case, when will they be able to move forward with that? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Health and Social Services, Mr. Miltenberger.

Further Return To Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the intention is, in the middle to late fall, to be able to move ahead once we achieve the goals that I have mentioned in regard to deciding on a governance model and the process in the Sahtu.

Before that time, we will be striking a working group that will involve people in the Sahtu and the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Authority to look at some of the costing issues along with the department. We will be looking at hopefully coming forward in the fall. I should have some very clear numbers by the time we once again gather as a Legislature after we have our summer break. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Question 231-14(5): Impacts Of Health And Social Services Reorganization
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

It appears we have a minor technical problem. We will take a short break.

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