Thank you. Minister Steen.
Debates of March 11th, 2003
This is page numbers 645 - 700 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.
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Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, the only administration fee applicable to the work we do on behalf of others is for Nunavut services. Contracting back of services, for that we've charged 6.5 percent.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just like to ask the Minister why is it that you are trying to charge a proposed 16 percent, which is now suggested to be nine percent, to communities when we are charging a lower fee to another government, Nunavut at 6.5 percent, and they are suggesting nine percent to our communities. I would like to ask the Minister exactly why are we charging non-residents of the Northwest Territories a fundamentally lower fee than the residents of the Northwest Territories?
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Minister Steen.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, the 16 percent that the Member refers to is not just administration, there's a planning or management fee included in there, and that is why it is as high as it is. In relation to the other ones, we don't do that type of thing, we just administer. That is why there is a difference in the charge.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
I would just like to ask the Minister about the contract we have in place with the Nunavut government. Who spells out the 6.5 percent? Is there actually a legally binding contract between the parties for such a fee?
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you, Mr. Rattray.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
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Rattray
Mr. Chairman, the contract was put in place, if I recall correctly, by the Executive or Financial Management Board Secretariat, and it was an umbrella contract that all departments had sub-agreements under. Those sub-agreements specified the different services that the individual departments were to provide and it was subject to the terms of the main agreement. The main agreement was where the administration fee was specified. We're really not involved in those agreements anymore. We are not providing any services to the Nunavut government. We are not planning on any for the coming year. They have indicated they don't require our services any further.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
I would just like to ask the Minister's department, knowing that there has been a motion put forth in committee to look at doing away with administration we charge the communities for water and sewage maintenance services, I would like to ask the government, are you going to enact that motion that that has been a recommendation put fourth through this procedure?
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Minister Steen.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we took the recommendation and we dealt with it in relation to other recommendations that came from the committee through the FMBS. We explained to them, or I should say we had MACA explain to them, what exactly this nine percent covers in the agreements that the communities had with Public Works and Services. MACA indicated that if we were to do away with the nine percent, MACA would then have to reduce the grants to those particular communities because they would not be paying those costs. Other communities that were doing the services themselves were actually carrying these costs through their subsidy from MACA for water, sewage and services. How it works is that MACA just can't wipe it off for four communities without affecting how it relates to the other community grants that they would receive for the same services. Thank you.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Krutko.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm not to sure if the communities even planned for this increase in this year's budget so I would like to ask the Minister, knowing that you have requested an increase to the original 16 percent, was there allowance given during the budget process that there will be increases in those communities in regards to the water and sewer subsidy program, knowing that there was going to be an increase in cost associated with delivering that program in their communities. Did the Department of Public Works make a request to MACA to increase the amount of money to communities for the water and sewer program, knowing there was an increase to the administration fee that you were going to charge?
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Minister Steen.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Public Works and Services did not approach MACA with a request for more funding for the communities to cover the costs of the 16 percent, simply because MACA was already giving these communities these funds to do this thing on their own behalf. If they had Public Works and Services do it for them, then they would be paying Public Works and Services with the funding that they were given by MACA. Every community received program funding in their water and sewage subsidy for management and planning related to the water and sewage program. Thank you.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Page 5-27, detail of work performed on behalf of others, continued. Page 5-28, detail of work performed on behalf of others continued, total departments. Mr. Krutko.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
March 11th, 2003
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Details of work performed on behalf of others continued, totalling department $1.134 million. Page 5-29, revenue, recoveries and transfer payments. Mr. Krutko.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, under other revenues, it says water and sewage and maintenance services, and we see a major increase in regards to the amount $1.209 million. Could the Minister give me a breakdown of what that amount is for?
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Minister Steen.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the deputy will respond to that question.
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers, Carried
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The Chair Leon Lafferty
Thank you. Mr. Rattray.