This is page numbers 701 - 746 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Mahsi Cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for the public service in his role as chairman of the Financial Management Board, Mr. Handley. Mr. Speaker, we recognize there are a lot of problems in the Northwest Territories. We have a social agenda for that. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, how we handle those dollars is, we give it to NGOs and for my buck there is not enough bang in our communities.

I'd like to ask the Minister, we know there are no fewer than 15 public institutions, territorial institutions, in the capital and the regional centers. I'd like to ask the Minister; what are we talking about in terms of numbers of employees and the staff benefits to our jobs and businesses that supply these institutions such as the hospitals and correctional centres. There are spin offs and opportunities for businesses in those communities so, if the Minister could give us an idea of how many people work in these institutions and the spin off benefits? I don't want an exact number, just a general number. Thank you Mr. Chairman, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister of FMB. It sounds like a very complicated question that would probably be better as a written question but I will allow the Minister to respond to it if he wishes. Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

No, Mr. Speaker, I don't have numbers, I don't even have a really good estimate of how many people work in the various institutions we have around the Northwest Territories. I told the Member that I would try to get the information for him; I know my people are working on it and we'll get it but, now that he's asked for it by institution, I'll add that to the mix as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, these territorial institutions that provide services to everybody in the Northwest Territories do benefit the people of the Northwest Territories. They provide valuable services. Mr. Speaker, too often we stand up here in the House saying that we don't have enough in our communities and that we regionalize it. I'd like to ask the Minister if the government has ever considered the example of the mining companies, using the people of the communities to be employed in these regional or territorial institutions that provide services to all members of our population. Similar to what the mines do, these institutions work on rotation. Has the Minister ever considered hiring people from those communities so that we could spread the wealth around? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister of FMB, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, definitely there is a lot of benefit to the communities each time we have another person who has a job in that community, both directly and indirectly in terms of the spending that person is able to do from the wages that they earn. Whenever possible, Mr. Speaker, we try to hire people locally, if we can. If there are people with the qualifications or even people who will take the training, then we try to fit that together so we do hire as many local people as possible in order to maximize the benefit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a representative of a small community that doesn't see these territorial institutions being put in their communities, these benefits don't accrue to them. Only if you are sick are you sent to the hospital. Only if you get into legal trouble are you sent to institutions that will house you for awhile. So, I don't agree with that philosophy. I think that the Minister should try to break up some of these positions, farming them out to the communities so that everybody could benefit from it. Maybe service providers and product providers could be farmed out to the communities. Would the Minister consider breaking down the contracts so that small communities and small businesses could provide those services or products? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister of FMB, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I think the suggestion is a good one. Wherever we can break down a contract and offer it in the community, then we want to do that. We do have a lot of sole-source contracts that we do through negotiations with community organizations in order to give them the benefits. As a government, we have to keep our eye on the bottom line but, at the same time, we want to maximize the benefits to the community. If I take some communities, Yellowknife for example, Mr. Speaker, of all the government spending in Yellowknife, it works out to about $6,000 per capita in Yellowknife. If I take another community, for example Fort Liard, it works out to be $12,000 per capita that we spend. In Lutselk'e we are spending $17,500 per capita. So there is a lot of benefit going into each of the communities from the system, and we are making our best effort to break it down so that maximum benefits stay in those communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Your final supplementary, Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the 3,500 or so employees in Yellowknife at $6,000 per capita doesn't compare to one employee at $17,000 per capita in Lutselk'e. That is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about taking government positions and moving them to the communities so people in those communities don't have to live in a welfare state managed by regional centres or the capital of the Northwest Territories. If we expect the mines, force the mines to break up their contract and hire people from different communities, I expect the government should be able follow suit and follow their own example by breaking up the contracts for regional institutions or territorial institutions so that people in the communities can benefit. That is what I'm talking about, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if he is not going to bring people in from those communities, would he consider putting these territorial institutions in the different communities so that those communities could benefit from our needs as well? Thank you. Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. The honourable Minister of FMB, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as much as possible, we do try to break down contracts so that local companies and individuals can benefit. Second, we are always open, Mr. Speaker, to decentralizing or dispersing our services out to all communities, not just to Yellowknife and the regional centers, but all communities. Mr. Speaker, we're just in the process, as part of the transition document, of doing a review of the structure and organization of government. I look forward to the recommendations in that report to see what more we could be doing to help the small communities. That's very much on the agenda. I take very seriously the recommendations that the special committee on small communities makes but we are working on that Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Oral questions. The honourable member for Great Slave, Mr. Braden.

Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions this afternoon are for the honourable Roger Allen, Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. It's about the corporation's work in mortgage collections and arrears procedures. In the course of the business plan and the budget we just went over, Mr. Speaker, the Minister was very forthcoming in allowing that the corporation needs to do a better job. Without going into detail, the budget for the corporation for this coming year is going to be about $100 million, Mr. Speaker, but $52 million of that is a contribution from the government. So can't we be doing a better job, at least in the area of collecting mortgage payments from clients? I wanted to ask the Minister what steps he is taking to improve the corporation's record in the area of payment and collection? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden. The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We currently are implementing some new procedures to address the issue of mortgage collections. There has been some emphasis by NWT Housing Corporation officials on how best to proceed. We recognize there are some political implications, as well as administrative implications and we wanted to make sure we were within the context of the auditor general's report at this point. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Supplementary, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, indeed, as we have just witnessed there are political considerations when it comes to housing, but these are also business arrangements. The corporation is a corporation and we have revenues that need to be collected against our expenditures. Can the Minister advise what kind of regular business arrangements are in place today that the corporation uses to govern its collections system? Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we currently are contemplating some new procedures. If I may make reference to some of them: ...(inaudible)...mortgage clients will need to undergo a detailed credit assessment to determine if they are capable of meeting ongoing financial obligations. There are a number of others that we want to incorporate in the process. So, Mr. Speaker, we are undertaking a number of steps to eradicate some of the previous problems we had. Thank you.

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The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I look forward to seeing these implemented. Some of them, for some clients, and in some areas may be fairly onerous, Mr. Speaker. I wonder what steps the corporation is taking to help clients understand how to comply with these new and, what may be for some, harsher conditions of compliance.