In the Legislative Assembly on June 12th, 2003. See this topic in context.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a number of people today. Could I just ask them, perhaps, if they could just jump up and give a wave? Their parents might see them on TV this way. I ask the indulgence of my colleagues here. It's an extensive list, but this is very important to them. They had a bake sale to raise money; these kids are really into this. Kim Ivanko, Grade 6 teacher; Jennifer Morgan, supervisor; Chelsea Beck-Mandeville; Michelle Caudron; Jordan Champagne; Michelle Daigneault; Jason Desjarlais; Travis Dobs; James Dumas; Jessica Farmer; Marissa Hiebert; Raelen Lamalice; Mark Leblanc; Patrick Minute; Mikey Morgan; Terry Rowe; Grant Roy; Rena Squirrel; Brent Thomas; and Steven Wade. Welcome.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, and welcome, students. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to make welcome this very distinguished group from Hay River and introduce the other half of the group up there. I'd like to introduce Janine Pushie, the teacher of the second class; Sandy Coady and Cecile Richards, supervisors; and the students are Deidre Aldridge; Shelly Bourne, Bailey Corrigal; Cali Groenheyde; Patrick Hunt; Kyle Isiah; Geoffery Johnson; Reiss Kruger; Kenny McBryan; Colton Parker; Debra Richards; Jamie Ritchie; Michelle Rymer-Salopree; Shanna Sage; Tiffany Sheils-Campbell; Justin West and I would also like to recognize a constituent of mine and their capable bus driver, Mr. Joe Gagnier. I would also like to recognize my constituency assistant Debbie Pottle up in the gallery who came over to help me. I will recognize Jane's constituency assistant Wendy Morgan. I would like to wish all of them a very safe trip home. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

That was a bit over the 30 seconds you are allowed, however the students have come a long way and the people have come a long way, so it was worth the introduction. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize two gentlemen in the gallery from the First Nations Bank of Canada. Keith Martell is the chairman and Arden Buskell, president and chief operating officer. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nunakput, Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to recognize in the visitors' gallery from the Special Olympics of the NWT, Karla Cairns, the swimming coach and support of Special Olympics; Val Braden, Special Olympics volunteer of the year; Pierre Lafond, Special Olympics male athlete of the year and Special Olympian and member of the Team Canada swimming team for the 2003 Special Olympics World Summer Games in Dublin, Ireland. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent and former assistant to the Member for Range Lake, Mrs. Jean Wallace in the audience today.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a few people in the gallery. I understand a senior, Ms. Madeline McDonald from Aven Court and her friend are in the gallery, as well as Blair Dunbar, who is my constituent, as well as Connie Henderson, a Yellowknife resident. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow the lead of my colleague, the Member for Nunakput, in recognizing our Olympian Pierre Lafond; his coach, Karla Cairns; my wife Valerie whose involvement with Special Olympics I am very proud of; and, my constituency assistant John Argue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize today my constituency assistant who is in Yellowknife for a few days, Ms. Denise Yuhas.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes, Mr. Allen.

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Roger Allen

Roger Allen Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me pleasure to welcome Madeline McDonald to the gallery. She's very special to my former athletic career being a chaperone to our team. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. On behalf of all the Members, welcome to the Legislative Assembly, particularly Mr. Dunbar. Mr. Dunbar and I are colleagues from the social work profession of some years. The chair recognizes the honourable Member for Range Lake, Ms. Lee, on a Point of Order.

Point Of Order

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a Point of Order on the first opportunity available to me. My Point of Order is that in answering questions in the House about the issues related to the specialist negotiation situation, the Minister of Health and Social Services has misled the House.

Mr. Speaker, this is my first opportunity as I was not able to verify the page number of the Hansard that I had to quote from. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Ms. Lee, the chair is concerned with your Point of Order in terms of being the first opportunity. We've been in the House for an hour, you haven't left. You could have raised it sooner. As a matter of fact, the chair did hesitate earlier in anticipation of you saying something, but nothing came about. First opportunity means first opportunity, but the chair will recognize your Point of Order. Ms. Lee, what is your Point of Order.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I do apologize. I have had a lot of information to observe. Mr. Speaker, the substantiation of my Point of Order is as follows. On June 4th in his Minister's statement entitled Specialist Negotiations, the Minister stated the following, and I quote from page 1761 of the unedited Hansard: "I wish to reassure members of the Northwest Territories public that primary healthcare, that is care provided by general practitioners, nurses and other front line staff in our communities, will continue to be provided to Northwest Territories residents. People are referred to specialists only if their medical requirements cannot be met by front line healthcare..."

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Ms. Lee, a moment, please. What date are you referring to when you refer to this? It's based on my concern about the earliest opportunity. I heard the date, but I am not sure. What date are you referring to?

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand your concern but my point is I was not able to raise this point until I got the documents that I tabled in the House yesterday, which didn't come to my possession until yesterday which sheds a different light on what has been said in the House.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Okay. The chair will hear your Point of Order and we can decide on it after we've heard more information. Ms. Lee, continue.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank you for your patience and the patience of the Members. Mr. Speaker, he made the statement that I just read, but yesterday I received a copy of the letter dated May 14th, which is a full three weeks prior to his statement that I just read signed by all 18 general practitioners in Yellowknife and it was tabled yesterday. I quote, Mr. Speaker, from the latter part of the second paragraph of that letter: "Family physicians providing obstetrical care, including high risk obstetrics, will not be able to continue to provide this care without specialist obstetrical backup. Similarly, those family physicians that provide surgical services cannot continue to do so without specialist surgical or obstetrics backup." The letter goes on to say, in the next paragraph: "Many emergency physicians chose to work in Yellowknife because of the level of acuity and the specialist backup that allows ongoing treatment locally. Without specialist backup, the role of emergency physicians will be altered, with more patients needing simply to be transferred south for ongoing care. GP anesthesiologists chose to practice in Yellowknife because of the ability to work with general surgeons, gynecologists, ENT surgeons, orthopaedic surgeons and ophthalmologists. In the event that these specialists are no longer represented in the community, many family physicians will find their scope of practice greatly curtailed. Given the situation, some family physicians may elect to look for opportunities in other communities where they could utilize their skills to the fullest."

This substantiation is that the Minister was misleading the House by not providing the full answer and making a statement that was, I don't want to say contrary, but not a full picture of what he was aware of.

Mr. Speaker, my second substantiation is from what he said on June 4th. This comes in light of the document that I was able to get yesterday. Mr. Speaker, as you recall yesterday, there were extensive discussions about the fact that some mothers were having to travel to Edmonton for labour and he said, on page 1781: "My job as Minister is to ensure the maintenance of the health and social services system, to deal with issues in a careful, measured way, not to promote fear and concern and needless apprehension among the people. Mr. Speaker, the Member has raised and thrown out a number of third-hand comments that I have no knowledge of, I have no context, I have no way to verify what she has said, so I am not in a position to address what may be considered hearsay at this point."

Mr. Speaker, this sheds a different light on the issue for me because of the document that I tabled, which is a letter dated June 5th that gives more context addressed to the Minister and signed by all four members of the OBS department in Yellowknife. The letter states the following, in the second paragraph: "In the short term, we are absolutely clear that we cannot carry on as usual without intermittent locum obstetric backup. Although in theory, we could carry on low risk obstetrics under those circumstances, in fact risk stratification is fraught with difficulties and when impending disaster is diagnosed from Yellowknife, we are hours away by air from additional resources, particularly paediatrics. In addition, two of the family practice obstetric group members have resigned from the obstetrics practice as of July. With holidays, this leaves three family practitioners doing intra-partum obstetrics without paediatrician availability for at least several weeks in July. This is not doable. Thus, we must not accept obstetrics patients from out of town for confinement and we must be making arrangements now to send our local patients to another centre to await delivery. We cannot wait until the end of June to begin this process."

Further, Mr. Speaker, the letter goes on to say, and I quote from the fourth paragraph: "We will be contacting the communities immediately, advising them that we will not be accepting prenatal patients for confinement and making arrangement with other local patients for their ongoing care outside the territory."

My Point of Order is in saying that he was unaware of this problem and that it was third hand knowledge when he knew or ought to have known this information and I await your ruling. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee. The chair is primarily concerned with the timing of your Point of Order and the dates that have gone by and want to seek some more reference to this. So I am not going to rule on the Point of Order yet, whether we should allow it or not allow it or hear debate on it, until I have checked out that point. We are talking dates that go back a considerable period of time. I want to be sure that I've looked at some of the facts here first. So I am not ruling on this. I am taking this under advisement and I will bring it back up again either later today or tomorrow. I am not going to allow any debate on it at the moment, until after I have ruled on the admissibility of the point. So we will continue on with our business of the day and we will set that aside for a little while.

Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.