Mr. Chairman, the toll right now is estimated at $5 to $6 a tonne. Thank you.
Debates of June 12th, 2003
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Bill 13: Deh Cho Bridge Act
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![Sandy Lee](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-sandy-lee/da7a37fd52143db575823e29b858daba.jpg)
Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Are there any other requirements under the law that people could contravene and become subject to a summary conviction other than... I am only envisioning someone who is supposed to pay the toll not paying the toll. Is there any other kind of violation that drivers or any other person might be subject to under this act?
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![Joe Handley](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-joe-handley/cf8b85987210d51b87cdb98c0939c348.jpg)
Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, no. This act deals with the toll and there could be other violations that would most likely come under the Motor Vehicles Act and would include things like speeding and so on. Thank you.
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![Sandy Lee](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-sandy-lee/da7a37fd52143db575823e29b858daba.jpg)
Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I seem to recall there being some kind of rules about the use of the bridge. Are we envisioning a bridge where not only could the vehicles travel, but people could travel across, as well? Is there -- I am sorry, I don't know if that is related to the section -- but is there going to be any violation on people of the act?
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![Joe Handley](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-joe-handley/cf8b85987210d51b87cdb98c0939c348.jpg)
Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, there is no plan right now, I do not believe, to build a walkway on the bridge, but as it is part of the public highway system pedestrians could walk across it and I think in the design of the bridge consideration should be taken for safety. Thank you.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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![Sandy Lee](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-sandy-lee/da7a37fd52143db575823e29b858daba.jpg)
Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My clock is not renewed yet. We are in a different section. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, section 10 reads:
10(1) Subject to subsection (2), the Commissioner in Executive Council may make regulations
(a) establishing tolls for vehicular use of the Deh Cho Bridge which tolls may defer in relation to
(i) the type, class or configuration of vehicle using the Deh Cho Bridge,
(ii) the date or time of that use,
(iii) the method of payment of the toll;
(b) describing types, classes and configurations of vehicles for purposes of establishing tolls;
(c) respecting the collection of tolls and enforcement of the collection of tolls;
(d) respecting methods of payment of tolls, including establishing standards for agreements allowing owners of vehicles to remit toll payments on a periodic basis;
(e) respecting the refund of tolls;
(f) exempting types, classes or configurations of vehicles, either generally or in specified circumstances, from requirements to pay tolls;
(g) respecting the assumption by the government of responsibility for the operation and maintenance of the Deh Cho Bridge under section 4, including but not limited to
(i) the provision of notice to the concessionaire,
(ii) the deduction of costs incurred by the government from amounts payable to the concessionaire; and
(iii) the return of responsibility for the operation and maintenance of the Deh Cho Bridge to the concessionaire; and
(g) generally for carrying out the purposes and provisions of this act.
(2) The Minister shall, at least 90 days before the proposed effective date of a regulation that the Commissioner and Executive Council proposes to make under any of paragraphs (1)(a) to (f)
(a) cause the proposed regulation to be published in the Northwest Territories Gazette, and
(b) cause a notice indicating how a copy of the proposed regulation may be obtained to be published in a newspaper broadly circulated in the Northwest Territories,
and a reasonable opportunity shall be afforded to interested persons to make representations with respect to the proposed regulation.
(3) Subsection (2) does not apply in respect of a proposed regulation that
(a) has previously been published has been the subject of a notice published in accordance with subsection (2), whether or not the proposed regulation has been changed as a result of representations made by interested persons as provided in that subsection; or
(b) makes no material substantive change in an existing regulation.
Mr. Chairman, I was trying to understand this while I was reading it. Mr. Chairman, one of the things that the government does is make regulations in this regard, I mean, regulations of any types that arise out of any legislation. But with respect to this specific set of regulations that the government will have powers to do, what kind of process is he going to set up to determine all these details of regulations? How is that normally done? How is that done by the Minister? Does he do consultations or is there something that in this case the government will speak to the concessionaire or the Bridge Corporation about? Thank you.
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![Joe Handley](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-joe-handley/cf8b85987210d51b87cdb98c0939c348.jpg)
Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, the extent of these regulations will be largely determined by the agreement with the concessionaire. Once the regulations are in place, then we would follow the normal process of developing regulations. Thank you.
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Sandy Lee Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know there was a question about this section and I don't know if there is any amendment coming, but there was a question and a serious concern raised by committee Members that we should have some level of say and influence about how the tolls are charged and we suggested that maybe there should be a standard about whether or not it is fair and reasonable and such. So I would like to know from the Minister, how would the interest of the public be protected in the way these tolls and regulations are set up? Thank you.
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![Joe Handley](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-joe-handley/cf8b85987210d51b87cdb98c0939c348.jpg)
Joe Handley Weledeh
Mr. Chairman, once Ms. Lee has asked her questions I do have an amendment that I would like to propose, but if you want I will wait until Ms. Lee is finished.
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![The Chair](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-paul-delorey/a5375803ce4145dd382736a81b5e4e7c.jpg)
The Chair Paul Delorey
Minister Handley, I think maybe the amendment may clarify some of the questions that Ms. Lee is asking. So, Ms. Lee, would it be appropriate for the Minister to move his amendment now? Ms. Lee.
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Committee Motion 124-14(6): To Amend Clause 10 Of Bill 13, Carried
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![Joe Handley](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-joe-handley/cf8b85987210d51b87cdb98c0939c348.jpg)
Joe Handley Weledeh
Yes, Mr. Chairman. I move that clause 10 of Bill 13 be amended by
(a) deleting subclause 10(2) and by substituting the following:
(2) the Minister shall, at least 90 days before the proposed effective date of a regulation that the Commissioner in Executive Council proposes to make under any of the paragraphs (1)(a) to (f)
(a) cause the proposed regulation to be published in the Northwest Territories Gazette,
(b) cause a notice, including a copy of the proposed regulation, to be provided to
(i) Members of the Legislative Assembly,
(ii) aboriginal governments whose interest may be affected by the enactment of the proposed regulation,
(iii) municipal corporations whose interest may be affected by the enactment of the proposed regulation,
(iv) an organization representing the interests of the commercial transport industry in the Northwest Territories, and
(v) an organization representing the interests of the business community in the Northwest Territories, and
(c) cause a notice indicating how a copy of the proposed regulation may be obtained to be published in a newspaper broadly circulated in the Northwest Territories,
and a reasonable opportunity shall be afforded to interested persons to make representation with respect to the proposed regulation.
(b) by striking out "notice published" in paragraph 10(3)(a) and by substituting "notice provided or published".
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion 124-14(6): To Amend Clause 10 Of Bill 13, Carried
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![The Chair](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/14-paul-delorey/a5375803ce4145dd382736a81b5e4e7c.jpg)
The Chair Paul Delorey
Thank you, Minister Handley. Motion on the floor. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Krutko.
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![David Krutko](/media/CACHE/images/polpics/13-david-krutko/fd5ac5ad10773e0bcd68ed06fd53da83.jpg)
David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Just a question I have in regard to that reasonable opportunity shall be afforded to interested persons to make a presentation with respect to the proposed regulation. What is the process that you plan to use? Is it going to be a public process where we are going to have public meetings or are there going to be just that they can have written submissions or are there actually going to be a public hearing process that we will hear from the public on these regulations that are changed?