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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Zoe's mandate and portfolio is...With him certainly I have considered it, certainly I will consider it in the future. If anything like this ever happens again, not just with Mr. Zoe but with all of Cabinet, I have looked at this one very seriously, I have followed up with the Legion. Mr. Zoe has as well, apologized; the Legion has given me a letter indicating that they have accepted the apology. Today Mr. Zoe stood up and made an apology to all of us and to the public, and has indicated that this will not happen again. I assure the Members again that if there is any such thing happening again, not just by Mr. Zoe but by the whole of Cabinet including myself, then we will take action. I intend immediately to follow up with another letter to confirm that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Final supplementary, Ms. Lee.

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Sandy Lee

Sandy Lee Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't believe the Premier has answered the question, and that is doing his part to not just do the letters. How many letters can you write? Does he not think, based on the information that he has, that what happened is not important enough for him to take more action than writing letters? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Mr. Premier, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the action that I have taken and the action that Mr. Zoe has taken certainly indicates that we view this issue very, very seriously. I believe that what has been done to date not only upholds our ethical standards, but is also showing responsibility towards ourselves as Cabinet Ministers and as MLAs. I want to make it very clear that there will be absolutely no tolerance from here on, and I have said that to many of the Members. I have told Mr. Zoe, I have told all of Cabinet, that there will be no further acceptance of this. Mr. Speaker, I don't want to get into the details of this, but at this point I think that we have dealt with the issue, I think I have dealt with it in a way that is fair, and I think at the same time underlines the importance and the significance of this kind of incident. I can assure you, Mr. Speaker, and assure this House that this will not be tolerated further. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

Question 148-15(3): Incidence Of Identity Theft In The Northwest Territories
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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Transportation. It has to do with my Member's statement with regard to identity theft. It is an issue that is an increasing problem

right across Canada, the Northwest Territories and in the United States, as well. The numbers are increasing dramatically. I was wondering if the Minister of Transportation could tell this House whether his department has any statistics on the number of thefts that go on in the Northwest Territories with regard to vehicles, and drivers' licences that do result in loss of compensation and new identities being formed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister of Transportation, Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, no, I don't have those statistics. I know it is a concern, it has been a concern raised to us by a number of organizations and individuals. However, I do not have that information in front of me. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the issues that was brought up yesterday by my colleague, Mr. Hawkins, was drivers' licences, and the importance of us doing work to correct the problems with our drivers' licences. In following up with that, that is an area where a lot of theft is going on to get new identities, and our drivers' licences being plasticized leads to that quite easily. Can the Minister tell this House when his department is going to be coming forward with changes to our drivers' licences and, more importantly, when will we get to see what changes are being made because there is more than one problem with the drivers' licences when it comes to identity theft? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister of Transportation, Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I indicated yesterday that we have been working on this issue with a number of jurisdictions, and also the Canadian Council of Motor Transportation Administrators and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators. We are trying to develop standards that will receive national consensus. We are doing a needs analysis and we have hired a contractor, and we expect those results very shortly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I had mentioned previously, there are a number of flaws in our drivers' licences that lead to identity theft, and one of the very important ones that was the fact that drivers' licences in the Northwest Territories, people who hold a driver's licence are allowed to have a driver's licence and only have a box number, no street number on their driver's licence. So it could be a box number from anywhere, but there is no street address on their driver's licence. I think we are the only jurisdiction in Canada that allows that. Will that be addressed, and is it a concern that the Minister is aware of? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister of Transportation, Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Yes, Mr. Speaker. There is that issue. There are other issues that are a concern regarding security, and the issue of drivers' licences and the issue of using drivers' licences as identification documents. We are looking at it. We intend to proceed with the development of a new format. We'd like to have that in place at least within the next year. It is something that we tamperproof, bulletproof, digitize, and we will have something to present to the committee fairly soon, as we'd like to have this document in the works and out in the next year or so. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Final supplementary, Mr. Delorey.

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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am glad to hear that the department is working on it and hope to have something come forward fairly quickly on this, but it is an issue that I think needs some public awareness on as well, because it leads to not only changes of identity, but also in losses in revenues, and people can access different things with different identities. So I think one of the big areas that is happening is that people tend to leave their driver's licence, their registration, their insurance cards in their vehicles, and the number of vehicles that are being stolen today lead to that information being out there. So I am wondering if the department is doing any public awareness campaign to make owners of vehicles, drivers to not leave those pieces of information in their vehicles for that very reason. Once people have them, they can do all kinds of things with that information. I don't even know what the laws are around leaving all of that information in your vehicle, or taking it out, but I think it is an area that should be addressed. Is the department doing anything to make the public aware of that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Minister of Transportation, Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated, the Department of Transportation has been working on this issue for a number of years; I believe it is since 2001. However, we are trying to get national consensus from a number of different agencies, and everybody has to be in agreement with these national standards, and we can only operate as fast as those standards are set. We intend to try to get something done in the near future; we are near conclusion. The information that the Member is asking is usually provided at the time of issuing licences. We ask that these documents are kept secure. Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen.

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up on the questions asked by Ms. Lee here with respect to the statement made in the House today by Mr. Zoe, and my questions will be directed to the Premier, as well. I would like to say, also for the record, that I am not satisfied with the statement that was made in the House today. I think it was sugar coated. I think that there are a lot more things that happened. It is not just about an altercation, it is not just about the Royal Canadian Legion. This is not about the Royal Canadian Legion, and I must say I was a little taken aback by the presence of the president here in the gallery today. Certainly it is open to the public, but I don't know what that message is supposed to be. I'm a member of the Legion, too. This is about a Minister's conduct. I'd like to ask the Premier, has he ever specifically talked to and warned Mr. Zoe with respect to incidents of this nature taking place during his tenure as a Cabinet Minister? Thank you.

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The Speaker

The Speaker David Krutko

Mr. Premier, Mr. Handley.

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Joe Handley

Joe Handley Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, yes, I have spoken to Mr. Zoe about these kinds of incidences. Thank you.