Question has been called. Mr. Yakeleya.

I want to speak to the motion here. I want to ask the Minister in terms of previous...

Excuse me, Mr. Yakeleya. You can't question the Minister on the motion. It is not his motion. You can speak to the motion. To the motion. Mr. Miltenberger.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to confirm that this funding is tied, and has the same caveat on it that was expressed by the Premier previously, with other funds dedicated to the pipeline that, in the unfortunate eventuality, rare though that may be, in our hope, that it does not go ahead, that this money would not be accessed. I believe that is an accurate characterization of the Premier's commitment.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. To the motion.

Question has been called. All those in favour of the motion? All those opposed? The motion is defeated.

---Defeated

Total for Health and Social Services, total department, not previously authorized, $9.054 million.

Thank you. Justice, operations expenditures, not previously authorized, total department, $2.784 million.

Thank you. NWT Housing Corporation, operations expenditures, not previously authorized, total department, $520,000. Mr. McLeod.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Looking at the $20,000 for having an Energy Star workshop, and I look at this $54,000 for a continuation of further research into high energy-efficient heating systems. I can't support the $74,000. I think all the LHO staff maintenance department, from what I know, are quite capable of doing work like this themselves. I am sure they would love to have that $54,000 to buy high energy-efficient furnaces that they know of that work. I have seen some of these research projects where they didn't work worth a darn. If you ask anybody at the LHO level what they know works, they will tell you what works. I am sure they could use this $54,000 to purchase proper equipment. That is why I cannot support this $74,000. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. NWT Housing Corporation, not previously authorized, total department, $520,000. Agreed?

Thank you. Education, Culture and Employment, operations expenditures, special warrants, $4.066 million, not previously authorized, $5.331 million. Mr. Villeneuve.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess this is probably one of these issues that probably a motion will be coming forward on this one, but just the $460,000 for the income security portion of this supplementary. There's $183,000 one-time start-up; $277,000, associated salaries and benefits, 11 new positions. Gee. When we went through the Housing Corporation, I didn't see 11 positions being cut when this Income Security program was transferred over to ECE. I would support it if we did see some 10.75 positions being deleted out of the Housing Corporation that used to manage this program. I don't know how the Department of Education, Culture and Employment figures it needs 11 positions to manage, to basically cut cheques for the LHOs. That is all this $30 million transfer is, just to transfer from one department to the next, that basically gives us block funding to the LHO level. That is the Public Housing Program money.

Why they need start-up and implementation costs, I don't even understand that either, because I know the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has income support workers in the communities already that also deal with rental housing subsidies, and rents, and whatnot. I would just like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, how does $460,000 make it seamless, as he states in here? I just don't see where he gets, or how he can substantiate half a million dollars for something like this that the Housing Corporation managed without cutting any positions or adding positions. Why the 11 positions?

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, when this issue was being discussed and the transfer of the housing subsidy program moved over to Education, Culture and Employment, we had made a decision to proceed with that transfer, and also directed the Housing Corporation to come back in the 2007-2010 business plan to show where they could show a lapse in funds from this transfer. The reason it didn't happen right off the bat is they are also directed, as a result of this, to review their mandate, and come up with a new mandate. Once that is done, then they have been directed to come back to the FMB, through the business planning cycle, to identify the savings. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Villeneuve.

Yes, just a quick point, I guess. So we are going out to half a million dollars for a new mandate, and adding 11 positions because of this transfer. Why would we even consider transferring it if it is going to cost the government half a million dollars? I just don't see the logic in doing something like that. If it was going to save us a half a million dollars in the long run, then I could really support it, but, right now, I can't really offer any support to something that really doesn't seem like it is...One full-time position, I think, would be able to handle this, but 11, I just can't see the rationale behind it. I just won't be supporting that. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Mr. Roland.