Our history has shown that court has resolved these issues for us. My position is that we look at redrafting the boundaries rather than adding new Members. I don't know how stable that is going to be. I am sure it will be a challenge. I would also look at making a recommendation if you have to do this, that we certainly provide some kind of guidance, some kind of criteria for our commission members to look at. If the concern was the number of Members increasing, then we should look at giving them strict direction and criteria. So those are my comments. I would like to see it next time around come to with some clear direction, some direction as to capping the numbers is where we want to stay. We don't really want to go any more than 19. We should also package the commission's responsibilities that include looking at boundaries or rejigging the boundaries and also how the constituencies are supported.

I have tried so many different ways to have good representation in my riding. I have tried having a CA here; I have tried having a constituency assistant in one community and it doesn't work because the other communities feel that they are neglected. Right now, I am trying to have two part-time constituency assistants in two different communities and the other two communities are saying we have to have somebody there too. Our budgets don't support that. Those things have to be looked at. Maybe its not all about votes in the House, but rather being able to have easy access to the MLAs or at least easy access through some of the staff from the MLAs so that communities are heard. Our responsibilities are different in the communities. My job is completely different from an MLA in a larger centre. We process income tax returns. We deal with old age pensions. We deal with child apprehension. You name it. If somebody is in corrections, they want to contact the MLA for referral letters. I think there is really no boundaries that we can set. I don't see how we can say that's outside the territorial government responsibilities. We just have to accept that it's our job to help them, because there is no other service. If somebody can't get a lawyer, they come to the MLA. Even if there is a lawyer and they don't know the lawyer, they come to the MLA. So our responsibilities are very heavy in the small communities where there is not the same level of services and not the same access. So I will be supporting Bill 14 even though I think at some point it's going to be challenged, but I think that's our best attempt to try to keep the numbers at 19. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Next I have Mr. Krutko.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I wasn't going to really speak on this because I went through this in the 13th Assembly. I will tell you back then is exactly what we see today happening with our rural and remote communities with programs and services, the have and have-not communities. It's exactly what we were afraid was going to happen when they had the court case.

I don't think you can say there is a difference between the larger centres and small communities. The little things the large centres take for granted like being able to get access to medical care, policing services, basic infrastructure and whatnot, most communities today cannot even get the basic services in a lot of our communities. We talk about policing a place like Sachs Harbour. We can have increased budgets for highway patrols, we can have police dogs that we budget for, yet we can't even find the fundamental basic services for people who are at a point where they are leaving our communities because the services they have there are secondary to what is going on in the larger centres.

Families are leaving our communities because of the quality of programs and services being delivered because of the adjustment of what was done in the 13th Assembly. You can talk about representation by population, but you also have to realize when you talk about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that you are talking about a quality of life issue here that no one seems to want to touch but it is the reality of the North. The whole demographics of what happened in the Northwest Territories from the 13th Assembly where a majority of people in this House were from small isolated communities from Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. We were able to help people from Grise Fiord and ensure that they had the equipment to run their municipal services and programs. We were able to deal with the services that were being delivered.

Since this court decision, in which we gave seven seats to the larger centres, we have seen a decline in the services that we can deliver in a lot of our smaller communities because of capacity issues. Everyone is moving to where the opportunities are. The quality of education is better in the larger communities. The services are better in the larger communities. I know my colleague from Inuvik Boot Lake touched on the thing about medical services. In most of our communities, the only service you get is to be medevaced to Yellowknife or Inuvik. That's about as close to the medical services we are getting. To see a doctor, you might be lucky to get your name on a list to see a doctor once a month.

Yet we are spending major dollars with regard to larger centres by way of institutions

to institutionalize the majority of clients who come from the smaller communities; our jail facilities. There is talk about putting more facilities in place. If you want to talk about distribution of wealth, you should also talk about the possibility of distribution of governments. There are 5,000 employees in the government that are in the larger, regional centres which has an effect on the larger population base.

Mr. Lafferty touched on the representation of the number of aboriginal people that he represents that live here in Yellowknife. I have the same dilemma where we have over 200 enrolled members living in Yellowknife from the Gwich'in claim and the Inuvialuit people. They do come to me when they have issues. At the end of the day, it comes down to the cost of doing government. By having a bigger government, does that improve the quality of services and programs to the residents of the Northwest Territories? From what we have seen, no, it doesn't. What we have are have and have-not communities, since the court decision was made. For me, that's probably the most visual aspect of what has happened since we divided from Nunavut. The challenge to us is how can we turn this tidal wave around and find a system that works for all the people in the Northwest Territories, ensures that everybody has the same programs and services, ensures the lives of our residents are being upheld, it doesn't matter where you live.

That was an issue we raised during the last time this court case went forward and it was raised in the context that small communities will become minorities in this Legislature and they will be losing the voice we had prior to division. It has lost the texture of exactly what this territory is supposed to be. The Northwest Territories has been known for its kindness and commitment to all people who come north. Yet the focus of governments and institutions seems to be focussing on the industries and the tourists that come from the South, but not really taking care of the people who really live here. The demographics of how that decision has affected us to govern in the context of representation and has deteriorated in the North from what it was.

I think we also have to realize that as northerners, real northerners, we do care for the little people in the North. If we have to make a choice between a sniffer dog and a highway patrol and putting in a police officer in Sachs Harbour or Tsiigehtchic or the smaller communities, that should be an automatic decision.

You talk about police services, the security and the well-being of our people. The fundamental right of every person should be the quality of life issue. Has it really improved the quality of life of all residents of the Northwest Territories since we had the last court decision? I would have to say no. It might have improved the quality of life for people in the smaller centres. You can definitely see that by looking at the economics.

With that, I will be supporting Bill 14. I think that we do have to go back and revisit the social and economics of what decisions have been made by your courts, the effects it has had on the people of the Northwest Territories, and see what it's done to improve the quality of life of all residents of the Northwest Territories when we have these court decisions.

Knowing we do have a decline in the population of the Northwest Territories is an aspect that has to be seriously considered before we make a decision unless we have some real numbers that we can make that decision with. We are having an outward migration from the Northwest Territories with all the economic development that is presently being seen by the information that is being provided. More people aren't coming here; more people are leaving. That alone should tell us that there is a decline in our population.

I do believe that we are beating the courts on their grounds of the 25 percent guidelines, which is 25 percent plus or minus. That was the basis of our last court decision. That is not good enough. I think we should seriously look at how we have representation in Canada and other places in the world. We have representatives in Ottawa in a Senator for Nunavut, a Senator for the Northwest Territories and Yukon, basically 23,000 people out of 30-odd million people in Canada. At this point, we do have to realize that we do have to look at the cost of government and the services of government and that the majority of the capital investment this government makes is to run a government. It's not to provide programs and services for the people.

With that...

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Order!

Don't...Anyway, I don't have anybody else on my list right now for general comments.

Okay. I'm sorry. Mr. Pokiak.

Thank you, Madam Chair. As the Member that introduced to the Assembly today or a couple of days ago, it was very interesting to hear what the Members here have to say with regard to the bill itself. Like I said earlier, I would like to thank the Electoral Boundaries Commission for coming out with the report on an important bill like this. I respect the Member for Monfwi with regard to his people wanting another seat in Behchoko and also with the recommendation for one in Yellowknife.

However, having said that, Madam Chair, I would just like to let the Members know that I will support the bill as amended. At this present time, I don't think it's necessary to increase the numbers to 21. I think we should leave it at 19. I think we can go down in the next four or five years and we can look at it again. All the comments raised by our Members here, they brought up some of the issues I would have been raising, so I don't want to mention all the stuff that's been raised. I respect, like I said, the Member for Monfwi and the Members from Yellowknife with regard to the recommendations out of the report, but I will support this bill, Madam Chair. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak. If there are no further general comments, then, Bill 14, An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and

Executive Council Act. We will stand down the clauses of the act and just go to schedule A. Mr. Hawkins.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I move that Bill 14 be amended by striking out items 12 to 19 of the appendix and substituting items 12 to 21 as set out in the schedule to this motion.

Madam Chair, I seek unanimous consent to have the schedule to this motion deemed read and printed in Hansard in its entirety. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. The Member is seeking unanimous consent to have the schedule to the motion be read and printed in Hansard in its entirety. Are there any nays? There are no nays.

Schedule

12. Behchoko

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 116(05( meridian of longitude and the 62(53( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(53( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 115(55( meridian of longitude; thence south along the 115(55( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(49( parallel of latitude; thence west along the 62(49( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 116(05( meridian of longitude; thence north along the 116(05( meridian of longitude to the point of commencement.

13. Monfwi

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 65th parallel of latitude and the 120th meridian of longitude; thence south along the 120th meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(15( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(15( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 114(20( meridian of longitude; thence north along the 114(20( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(24(30( parallel of latitude; thence west along the 62(24(30( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 114(31( meridian of longitude; thence north along the 114(31( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(30( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(30( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 114(26( meridian of longitude; thence north along the 114(26( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(55( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(55( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 112(30( meridian of longitude; thence north along the 112(30( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the Nunavut-Northwest Territories boundary (Lat. 65(30( N; Long. 112(30( W); thence northwesterly along that boundary to its intersection with the 116(00( meridian of longitude at the 66(40( parallel of latitude, approximately; thence south along the 116(00( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 65th parallel of latitude; thence west along the 65th parallel of latitude to the point of commencement.

Excluding the electoral district of Behchok".

14. Weledeh

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 62(55( parallel of latitude and the 114(26( meridian of longitude; thence south along the 114(26( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(30( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(30( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the centreline of Ingraham Trail Highway No. 4; thence southerly along the centreline of Ingraham Trail Highway No. 4 to its intersection with the westerly production of the northern boundary of Lot 40, Block 308, Plan 3953; thence easterly along that production and continuing along the northern boundary of Lot 40, the easterly boundary of Lot 10, Block 307, Plan 3953, and the easterly boundary of Lot 1090, Plan 2732, to the northwestern corner of a utility right-of-way, Plan 621; thence southerly along the western boundary of the utility right-of-way to its intersection with the centreline of 44th Street; thence southeasterly along the centreline of 44th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 52nd Avenue; thence southerly along the centreline of 52nd Avenue to its intersection with the northwesterly production of the southwestern boundary of Lot 3, Block 167, Plan 3767; thence southeasterly along that production, the southwestern boundary of Lot 3, the western and southern boundary of Lot 1, Block 91, Plan 3506, the southern boundary of Block 91 remainder, Plan 484, and its easterly production to its intersection with the centreline of School Draw Avenue; thence northerly along the centreline of School Draw Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 44th Street; thence westerly along the centreline of 44th Street to its intersection with the southerly production of the western boundary of Lot 1, Block 93, Plan 482; thence northerly along that production, the western boundary of Lots 1 to 6 and southerly along the eastern boundary of Lot 6 to the northeastern corner of Lot 6; thence northeast in a straight line to the northern corner of Lot 1, Block 94, Plan 482; thence easterly in a straight line to the intersection of that line and the western shore of Great Slave Lake at the 62(27(20( parallel of latitude and the 114(21(18( meridian of longitude, approximately; thence east along the 62(27(20( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 114(20( meridian of longitude; thence south along the 114(20( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(15( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(15( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 112(30( meridian of longitude; thence north along the 112(30( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(55( parallel of latitude; thence west along the 62(55( parallel of latitude to the point of commencement.

15. Frame Lake

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 114(26( meridian of longitude and the 62(30( parallel of latitude; thence south along the 114(26( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the centreline of Yellowknife Highway No. 3; thence easterly along the

centreline of Yellowknife Highway No. 3 to its intersection with the centreline of Old Airport Road; thence southerly to the northwestern corner of Lot 927, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence southerly along the eastern boundary of Old Airport Road to the southwest corner of Lot 919, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence easterly along the northern boundary of Cemetery Road to its intersection with the western corner of Lot 906, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence southeasterly along the southwestern boundary of Lot 906, Group 964 to the southern corner of Lot 906, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence westerly in a straight line to the southeast corner of Lot 40, Plan 2043; thence westerly along the southern boundary of Lot 40, Plan 2043 to the southeast corner of Lot 4, Plan 515; thence southerly along the eastern boundary of Lots 5, 6 and 7, Plan 515, Lots 8 and 9, Plan 1223, Lots 35 and 36, Plan 1340, Lots 11, 12 and 13, Plan 515, Lots 14-1 and 14-2, Plan 1191, Lots 15, 16 and 17, Plan 515 and Lot 42, a limit of Old Airport Road and Lot 1, Block 371, Plan 2249 to the eastern corner of Lot 1, Block 371; thence continuing southeasterly on a production of the eastern limit of Lot 1, Block 371 to its intersection with the shore of Frame Lake; thence southerly, easterly and northerly along the shore of Frame Lake to the northern corner of Lot 2, Block 122, Plan 2015; thence southerly along the eastern boundary of Lot 2, Block 122 to the easterly corner of Lot 2, Block 122; thence southeasterly in a straight line to the intersection of the centreline of 50th Avenue and the centreline of Reservoir Road; thence south along the centreline of Reservoir Road to its intersection with the centreline of Forrest Drive; thence southerly in a straight line to the northwestern corner of Unit 1, Lot 21, Block 133, Plan C-2277; thence southerly along the western boundary of Units 1 to 12 and easterly along the south boundary of Lot 21, Block 133, Plan C-2277 to the southeastern corner of Lot 21; thence southeasterly in a straight line to the northwestern corner of Lot 24, Block 133, Plan 3850; thence southerly and easterly along the western and southern boundary of Lot 24 and southern boundary of Lots 1, 2 and 26, Block 146, Plan 863 to the southern corner of Lot 26, Block 146, Plan 863; thence easterly in a straight line to the southwestern corner of Lot 27, Block 146, Plan 863; thence easterly along the southern boundary of Lots 27 and 25, Block 146, Plan 863, and the northeasterly production of the southeastern boundary of Lot 25 to the intersection of that production and the centreline of Con Road; thence northwesterly and northerly along the centreline of Con Road to its intersection with the centreline of 55th Street; thence northwesterly along the centreline of 55th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 51st Avenue; thence northeasterly along the centreline of 51st Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 54th Street; thence northwesterly along the centreline of 54th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 50th Avenue; thence northeasterly along the centreline of 50th Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 53rd Street; thence northwesterly along the centreline of 53rd Street to its intersection with the easterly production of the north boundary of Lots 28 and 29, Block 27, Plan 1388; thence westerly along that production, the northern boundary of Lots 28 and 29, Block 27, Plan 1388, and the northern boundary of Lots 24, 25, and 26, Block 27, Plan 217, to the western corner of Lot 26; thence northwesterly along the northeastern boundary of Lot 1, Block 118, Plan 634 and the northeastern limit of a road right-of-way, Plan 634 to the northern corner of that right-of-way; thence northeasterly to the western corner of Lot 11, Block 49, Plan 1940; thence along the northern boundary of Lots 11 and 12, Block 49, Plan 1940 and the easterly production of Lot 12, Block 49, Plan 1940, to the intersection of that production and the centreline of Ingraham Trail Highway No. 4; thence northerly along the centreline of Ingraham Trail Highway No. 4 to its intersection with the 62(30( parallel of latitude; thence west along the 62(30( parallel of latitude to the point of commencement.

16. Range Lake

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 114(26( meridian of longitude and the 62(30( parallel of latitude; thence south along the 114(26( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the centreline of Yellowknife Highway No. 3; thence easterly along the centreline of Yellowknife Highway No. 3 to its intersection with the centreline of Old Airport Road; thence southerly to the northwestern corner of Lot 927, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence southerly along the eastern boundary of Old Airport Road to the southwest corner of Lot 919, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence easterly along the northern boundary of Cemetery Road to its intersection with the western corner of Lot 906, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence southeasterly along the southwestern boundary of Lot 906, Group 964 to the southern corner of Lot 906, Group 964, Plan 1005; thence westerly in a straight line to the southeast corner of Lot 40, Plan 2043; thence westerly along the southern boundary of Lot 40, Plan 2043 to the southeast corner of Lot 4, Plan 515; thence southerly along the eastern boundary of Lots 5, 6 and 7, Plan 515, Lots 8 and 9, Plan 1223, Lots 35 and 36, Plan 1340, Lots 11, 12 and 13, Plan 515, Lots 14-1 and 14-2, Plan 1191, Lots 15, 16 and 17, Plan 515 and Lot 42 and the northern limit of a short portion of Old Airport Road to the midpoint, said midpoint being the centreline of Old Airport Road; thence southwesterly along the centreline of Old Airport Road to its intersection with the centreline of Range Lake Road; thence southwesterly along the centreline of Range Lake Road to its intersection with the southeasterly production of the northeastern boundary of Lot 6, Block 560, Plan 2108; thence northwesterly along that production and the northeastern boundary of Lot 6 to the northern corner of Lot 6, said point also being on the southern boundary of Lot 971, Plan 1069; thence southwesterly and northwesterly along the southwestern boundary of Lot 971 to the western corner of Lot 971, said point also being the northern point of Lot 6, Block 550, Plan 1971; thence southwesterly and southerly along the northern and western boundary of Lot 6 to the southern corner of Lot 2, Plan 4052; thence westerly and northerly along the boundary of Lot 2 to its intersection with Lot 1048, Plan 2148; thence westerly, northerly, and easterly along the boundary of Lot 1048 to its intersection with Lot 1, Plan 3720; thence northerly, northwesterly, and along a northwesterly production of the western boundary of Lot 1 to its intersection with the centreline of Highway No. 3; thence westerly along the centerline of Highway No. 3 to its intersection with the 114(31( meridian of longitude; thence north along the 114(31( meridian of longitude to its intersection with the 62(30( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(30( parallel of latitude to the point of commencement.

17. Trappers Lake

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 114(31( meridian of longitude and the 62(24(30( parallel of latitude; thence northeasterly in a straight line to the northern corner of Lot 48, Block 553, Plan 3870, said point also being on the southwestern boundary of Lot 6, Block 550, Plan 1971; thence southeasterly along the southwestern boundary of Lot 6, and the southwestern boundary of Lot 31, Block 546, Plan 1799 and northeasterly along the southeastern boundary of Lot 31 to the eastern corner of Lot 31; thence northeasterly to its intersection of the centrelines of each of Balsillie Court and Bagon Drive; thence northerly along the centreline of Bagon Drive to its intersection with the centreline of Hordal Road; thence northeasterly along the centreline of Hordal Road to its intersection with the centreline of Range Lake Road; thence northerly along the centreline of Range Lake Road to its intersection with the southeasterly production of the northeastern boundary of Lot 6, Block 560, Plan 2108; thence northwesterly along that production and the northeastern boundary of Lot 6 to the northern corner of Lot 6, said point also being on the southern boundary of Lot 971, Plan 1069; thence southwesterly and northwesterly along the southwestern boundary of Lot 971 to the western corner of Lot 971, said point also being the northern point of Lot 6, Block 550, Plan 1971; thence southwesterly and southerly along the northern and western boundary of Lot 6 to the southern corner of Lot 2, Plan 4052; thence westerly and northerly along the east boundary of Lot 2 to its intersection with Lot 1048, Plan 2148; thence westerly, northerly and easterly along the boundary of Lot 1048 to its intersection with Lot 1, Plan 3720; thence northerly, northwesterly, and along a northwesterly production of the western boundary of Lot 1 to its intersection with the centreline of Yellowknife Highway No. 3; thence westerly along the centerline of Yellowknife Highway No. 3 to its intersection with the 114(31( meridian of longitude; thence south along the 114(31( meridian of longitude to the point of commencement.

18. Kam Lake

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 114(31( meridian of longitude with the 62(24(30( parallel of latitude; thence northeasterly along a straight line to the northern corner of Lot 48, Block 553, Plan 3870, said point also being on the southwestern boundary of Lot 6, Block 550, Plan 1971; thence southeasterly along the southwestern boundary of Lot 6, and the southwestern boundary of Lot 31, Block 546, Plan 1799 and northeasterly along the southeastern boundary of Lot 31 to the eastern corner of Lot 31; thence northeasterly to the intersection of the centrelines of each of Balsillie Court and Bagon Drive; thence northerly along the centreline of Bagon Drive to its intersection with the centreline of Hordal Road; thence northeasterly along the centreline of Hordal Road to its intersection with the centreline of Range Lake Road; thence northerly along the centreline of Range Lake Road to its intersection with the centreline of Woolgar Avenue; thence southeasterly along the centreline of Woolgar Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of Kam Lake Road; thence southwesterly along the centreline of Kam Lake Road to its intersection with the westerly production of the southern boundary of Lot 2, Block 500, Plan 2144; thence easterly along that production, the southern boundary of Lot 2, the northern boundary of Lot 922, Plan 727, and the southern boundary of Lot 1002, Plan 1296, to a deflection point on the south boundary of Lot 1002; thence southeasterly in a straight line to the intersection of the 114(23(30( meridian of longitude and the 62(24(30( parallel of latitude; thence westerly in a straight line to the point of commencement.

19. Pud Lake

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 114(20( meridian of longitude and the 62(26(38( parallel of latitude; thence westerly in a straight line to the intersection of the centreline of Con Road and the northeasterly production of the southeastern boundary of Lot 25, Block 146, Plan 863; thence westerly along that production, the southern boundary of Lots 25 and 27, Block 146, Plan 863, to the southwestern corner of Lot 27; thence westerly in a straight line to the southern corner of Lot 26, Block 146, Plan 863; thence westerly and northerly along the southern boundary of Lots 26, 2 and 1, and the western boundary of Lot 24, Block 133, Plan 3850 to the northwestern corner of Lot 24; thence northwesterly in a straight line to the southeastern corner of Lot 21, Block 133, Plan C-2277; thence westerly along the southern boundary of Lot 21 and northerly along the western boundary of Units 12 to 1, Lot 21, Block 133, Plan C-2277 to the northwestern corner of Unit 1, Lot 21; thence northerly in a straight line to the intersection of the centreline of Forrest Drive and the centreline of Reservoir Road; thence north along the centreline of Reservoir Road to its intersection with 50th Avenue; thence northwesterly in a straight line to the easterly corner of Lot 2, Block 122, Plan 2015; thence northerly along the eastern boundary of Lot 2 to the northern corner of Lot 2; thence southerly, westerly, and northerly along the shore of Frame Lake to its intersection with a southeasterly production of the eastern limit of Lot 1, Block 371, Plan 2249; thence northwesterly along that production, the north boundary of Lot 1 to the midpoint of the northern limit of a short portion of Old Airport Road, said midpoint being the centreline of Old Airport Road; thence southwesterly along the centreline of Old Airport Road to its intersection with the centreline of Range Lake Road; thence southwesterly along the centreline of Range Lake Road to its intersection with the centreline of Woolgar Avenue; thence southeasterly along the centreline of Woolgar Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of Kam Lake Road; thence southwesterly along the centreline of Kam Lake Road to its intersection with the westerly production of the southern boundary of Lot 2, Block 500, Plan 2144; thence easterly along that production, the southern boundary of Lot 2, the northern boundary of Lot 922, Plan 727, and the southern boundary of Lot 1002, Plan 1296, to a deflection point on the south boundary of Lot 1002; thence southeasterly in a straight line to the intersection of the 114(23(30( meridian of longitude and the 62(24(30( parallel of latitude; thence east along the 62(24(30(

parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 114(20( meridian of longitude; thence north in a straight line to the point of commencement.

20. Great Slave

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the 114(20( meridian of longitude and the 62(26(38( parallel of latitude; thence westerly in a straight line to the intersection of the centreline of Con Road with a straight line between the most eastern corner of Lot 25, Block 146, Plan 863 and the most southern corner of Lot 1, Block 149, Plan 863; thence northerly and northeasterly along the centreline of Con Road and 53rd Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 54th Street; thence northerly along the centreline of 54th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 52nd Avenue; thence northeasterly along the centreline of 52nd Avenue to its intersection with the northwesterly production of the southwestern boundary of Lot 3, Block 167, Plan 3767; thence southeasterly along that production, the southwestern boundary of Lot 3, the western and southern boundary of Lot 1, Block 91, Plan 3506, the southern boundary of Block 91 remainder, Plan 484, and its easterly production to the intersection of that production and the centreline of School Draw Avenue; thence northerly along the centreline of School Draw Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 44th Street; thence westerly along the centreline of 44th Street to its intersection with the southerly production of the western boundary of Lot 1, Block 93, Plan 482; thence northerly along that production, the western boundary of Lots 1 to 6 and southerly along the eastern boundary of Lot 6 to the northeastern corner of Lot 6; thence northeast in a straight line to the northern corner of Lot 1, Block 94, Plan 482; thence easterly in a straight line to the western shore of Great Slave Lake at the 62(27(20( parallel of latitude and the 114(21(18( meridian of longitude, approximately; thence east along the 62(27(20( parallel of latitude to its intersection with the 114(20( meridian of longitude; thence south along the 114(20( meridian of longitude to the point of commencement.

21. Niven Lake

All plans referred to in this description are deposited in the Land Titles Office for the Northwest Territories Land Registration District in Yellowknife.

Consisting of all that portion of the Northwest Territories bounded as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the westerly production of the northern boundary of Lot 40, Block 308, Plan 3953 and the centreline of Ingraham Trail Highway No. 4; thence easterly along that production and continuing along the northern boundary of Lot 40, the easterly boundary of Lot 10, Block 307, Plan 3953, and the easterly boundary of Lot 1090, Plan 2732, to the northwestern corner of a utility right-of-way, Plan 621; thence southerly along the western boundary of that right-of-way to its intersection with the centreline of 44th Street; thence southeasterly along the centreline of 44th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 52nd Avenue; thence southerly along the centreline of 52nd Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 54th Street; thence southeasterly along the centreline of 54th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 53rd Avenue; thence southwesterly along the centreline of 53rd Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 55th Street; thence northwesterly along the centreline of 55th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 51st Avenue; thence northeasterly along the centreline of 51st Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 54th Street; thence northwesterly along the centreline of 54th Street to its intersection with the centreline of 50th Avenue; thence northeasterly along the centreline of 50th Avenue to its intersection with the centreline of 53rd Street; thence northwesterly along the centreline of 53rd Street to its intersection with the easterly production of the northern boundary of Lots 28 and 29, Block 27, Plan 1388; thence westerly along that production, the northern boundary of Lots 28 and 29, Block 27, Plan 1388, the northern boundary of Lots 24, 25 and 26, Block 27, Plan 217, to the western corner of Lot 26; thence northwesterly along the northeastern boundary of Lot 1, Block 118, Plan 634 and the northeastern limit of a road right-of-way, Plan 634, to the northern corner of that right-of-way; thence northeasterly to the western corner of Lot 11, Block 49, Plan 1940; thence along the northern boundary of Lots 11 and 12, Block 49, Plan 1940 and the easterly production of Lot 12, Block 49, Plan 1940, to the intersection of that production and the centreline of Ingraham Trail Highway No. 4; thence northerly along the centreline of Ingraham Trail Highway No. 4 to the point of commencement.

Mr. Hawkins.

Firstly, Madam Chair, let me thank my colleagues for not naying that one. That would have meant I would have had to read 10 pages in of fine print.

Madam Chair, in plain language, this motion that I've put on the floor is suggesting to go back to the recommendation made by the commission, which is suggesting 21 seats in total. Again, Madam Chair, is says one additional seat to Yellowknife and one additional seat to the Monfwi region. That's what this motion means, like I say, in plain language. I'll be supporting this motion. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. To the motion. Mr. Braden.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Of course, I too will be voting in favour of this amendment. Madam Chair, I will not repeat my comments earlier, but to reiterate what I believe was a good recommendation made to this Assembly by the boundaries commission. It reflects that there are changes going on within our society and our communities and our demographics, and that it is incumbent on us to recognize those and strive to do the best we can to ensure that the idea of proportional representation is done to the best of our ability with the obvious considerations that we have, which we already gave to the commission, of language, of geography, of culture, of distance. These are valid things.

Madam Chair, a resident of Yellowknife recently wrote to Members of the Assembly and has given us a very strong endorsement of the principle of proportional representation. I'm going to quote very briefly from his letter, Madam Chair. He says that, "opponents of a more populously proportional distribution assert that seven Assembly Members are adequate to serve the needs of the Yellowknife's constituents. This is not the issue. The

issue is that when the most basic expression of the democratic will is called, and that is a vote by a Member in the Assembly, that people are foremost represented according to a distribution of votes justly reflecting their proportion of numbers in the total population." That is the issue that we're here to defend and that is why I'm going to support the amendment, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Braden. To the motion. Ms. Lee.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will be very brief, but I'm thinking that I was not very clear on one aspect, which was that the feedback that I'm getting from my constituents are that there is no need for new Members and I understand that position. It's just that if there is any addition in another area, that the voting parity for the Yellowknife residents have to be increased comparably. So for that reason, I am supporting this motion, as I've said already.

Also, I really believe strongly that this is not an argument about whether or not 19 people represent 42,000 people well, or whether Yellowknife needs seven Members or anything like that. It's not about us here. It's about the voting residents and their relative voting parity, so I just want to clarify that. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Lee. To the motion. Mr. Yakeleya.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to state that we are leaders and I will not support this motion. We have 19 people. We spoke. For the people I represent, my people in the Sahtu, each time we get on the plane to fly to our small communities we put our life on the line, for our family, for our children and for our people. That's the issue here; providing services and programs for our people. So, Madam Chair, I will not support this motion. The Sahtu region does not see the need for increasing politicians in the Northwest Territories. They want to see an increase in programs and services in the communities. I would ask that you do a recorded vote on this. Thank you.