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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the area of day-to-day use is something that we have been involved with for quite some time and we'll continue to be involved in that area. The practices of individuals to the type of lighting, as I had stated earlier, the fixtures we use, the automatic shut-off features, those types of areas, as well as temperature control, would be one of those things we look at. For example, as well, although we live in a winter climate, plug-in stalls for vehicles outside are not on a 24-hour basis anymore. They're on timed increments throughout the evening. So those are things that we would continue to be involved in monitoring. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. If the Minister would agree to commit to giving us a small, one-page or briefing note on some of the short-term strategies that they're coming up with, just like the things he had added, to keep Regular Members apprised of these simple, but yet cost-effective and cost-saving measures, it would be appreciated. Just further to that, continuing on the same page, if the Minister could elaborate...We see in one of his points extensive Mildred Hall School renovations in Yellowknife Centre here, and I'm wondering if he could mention what the details are of that? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. Mr. Roland

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, that work that is highlighted there is work that has occurred and was completed in this fiscal year. It's for 2005-2006. So it's work that has occurred. We were involved with the design and worked with the board to ensure that they were getting what they had requested for space and the type of construction. So we've been involved from that stage of it and it's now, I believe, completed. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate that. I was thinking it was the work that is potentially

going forward, but I'll leave it at that. No further questions, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Comments. Next for general comments, I have Mr. Ramsay.

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I said I wasn't going to ask any more questions about this, but the more I think about it, I think it's important that I do ask questions about it. That, again, is the access to the proceedings of this House to government employees. I started thinking about this, Madam Chair, and, for example, right now, if you're sitting in an office building in downtown Yellowknife and let's say there was a semi-final or a gold medal game going on in the Olympics and you wanted to tune into it, you could do that. You're not going to have your access denied, but the second you go as a government employee to try to get access to the proceedings of the House, your access is going to be denied. To me, Madam Chair, there's something not right about this. Like, why can employees access sporting events or whatever the case is, live audio to sporting events, but yet they can't access live audio to the proceedings of this House? Again, I really do think it's all about access for me. I don't think for a second every government employee is going to run out and access the proceedings of the House, but if their ability to do so is not allowed or is impeded, then I have some difficulty with that. I don't think we should be denying access to the proceedings of this House. The Legislative Assembly has gone a great distance in getting the web casting and the audio for the proceedings here. They've gone to that length, but now when it comes time to deliver, for whatever reason, Public Works doesn't want to step up to the plate and allow -- sorry for the sports analogy, Madam Chair -- but allow the employees to access the proceedings of the House. To me, it's just all about access, Madam Chair, and it's just not right the way that this is being allowed to take place. I'll leave it at that. The Minister can comment if he likes.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Before I pass this one for some of the technical issues that we face around the amount of access being requested or of providing an open base to all employees, there are a number of factors that we have to look at. One, as I stated earlier, is our acceptable use policy that's in place today of what's available, and if there are people looking at the sporting events or Olympics, then that is probably not one of the things that fits within that criteria. The issues of network capacity and so on, I'll have Mr. Gable speak to that. But as well, the web casting issue, there was some discussion of what was available. We were looking at doing a pilot project and then when the requirement for providing this information or getting this out to individuals was requested of us, we still didn't have all the information available of how it would be done, how it could be done in a way that would not tie up the rest of our systems. So that's an area that we were looking at and trying to see if there were ways we could do it. We have provided the necessary plug-ins for those that had access to it as part of their job requirements, but to enhance it, and that's what I believe the Member is requesting here, is the enhanced ability during work hours, because that was not available prior to this unless somebody had cable TV in their offices to be able to pick up on the proceedings. But for the technical side of it, if we can have Mr. Gable provide some information.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Gable.

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Gable

Thank you, Madam Chair. The one issue I think I would like to comment on, and further to what Mr. Roland said, the network capacity issue is a major one. People rely on that for their e-mail and for file transfers and all kinds of things in terms of government business, and once we get into the whole game of media streaming, which is really what this is, we do have to be careful that we don't saturate that network. We have had a couple of other requests from other departments for this similar kind of thing where there is media streaming. Whether it's audio or video is a little more network intensive, but they both take up network capacity. In the other cases, we have tried to take it very slowly and do a full analysis of what the impact might be to basically ensure that bringing anything online in way of video or audio would not bring the network to a screeching halt because it just becomes saturated. So in this case, that was a concern on the technical side. I think added to the concerns that Mr. Roland has made, it is something that really needs to be sort of taken one step at a time, and we can't just sort of throw the doors open and do this with our existing network capacity. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Gable. Mr. Ramsay.

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David Ramsay

David Ramsay Kam Lake

No, I don't know what else I can say to this. Again, I go back to the capability that exists right now in government offices, and that is that you can access live sporting events, you can tune into the Olympics, you can tune into the Masters when the golf tournament starts, you can do a lot of things out of your government office and if you can do those things and not listen to the proceedings of this House, or have your access denied, I know it's an enhanced service, I know that, but to me something's wrong when we have that type of standard in place and I'm glad to hear that the Minister and his staff will look at it. I know it's an issue of network capacity and there are some issues there that have to be ironed out, but I think the sooner we can iron them out and have access to the proceedings of this House available to our employees, the better off we'll all be. I think it's imperative that access isn't an issue for our employees. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess if this proceeding is competing with the PGA or the Olympics, I'm not too sure how many people would choose these proceedings over those venues. Number one, those venues are not allowed to be...Government policy of our systems does not permit that. Now, I'm sure that not everybody is following the rules to a T and that's part of the situation we face, as Mr. Gable talked about, is when our systems slow down and get saturated is when a lot of people start logging onto these systems and doing other things. For providing information just to reassure those that are required to be plugged into the system, we've made the necessary arrangements. If departments, Ministers and deputy ministers feel that they need other employees to be plugged in, we will make those necessary arrangements to plug them in. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. General comments. Mr. Villeneuve.

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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. A lot of my questions have also been answered already by a lot of the other Members' questions, but I just have a couple of technical questions on the fuel pricing. I know the department is mandated to break even on its fuel sales and there's going to be different fuel prices for different communities. I just have one quick question on the taxes that are applied to the cost of fuel. Let me just understand one thing first. When the government purchases all its fuel supplies that are going out to the communities every year at a specific rate, the government pays the GST on that fuel. Is that not correct?

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. No, we do not pay the GST on the prices that are delivered to us, but because there is the GST when we sell through our contractors to private sector, we have to include the GST. Thank you.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Villeneuve.

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Robert Villeneuve

Robert Villeneuve Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Chair. So the GST that the government collects on the sale of the fuel at the community level, is that going into our surplus fund in order to offset some other costs associated with petroleum products?

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve. Mr. Roland.