Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Rockhill Apartments are a government-owned facility and Public Works does deal with the O and M on that piece of property. An agreement was entered into in 1997, a 10-year agreement entered into. We've been working with Health and Social Services; Education, Culture and Employment; and I believe the Housing Corporation around that facility. Health and Social Services, ultimately, the decision has to be made from their side of the equation as to how we would proceed. A technical evaluation was done on the facility and we'll have to come up with a plan here in 2006 as to what the next steps will be for that; if it's a renovation for that. But that we'll have to work in conjunction with Health and Social Services on that. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Braden.

Okay. Thanks, Madam Chair. The Minister, I think, is alert to something that I was looking at here. I think Health and Social Services has some contracts with the Y that are operated through or around

that building, but to my understanding the vast majority of our interest for occupancy through the Y is through the income support and the housing services now under ECE. While I notice that Health and Social Services is planning a capital project in that building, there was nothing there from ECE or Public Works. So this is where I'd like to go. But this arrangement is not up for another couple of years, so I do appreciate there is still a bit of time on our side. But I'll be looking for some progress on collaborating on this building in the near future, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Braden. I didn't hear a question there. I believe that was a comment. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, just on that facility, our involvement would be once the department has got the dollars in place, we would become involved with the project management of that and how that work would proceed. Ongoing O and M at that point, as well. So Health and Social Services has identified the dollars and that's where the work will start in their books. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Next I have Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to ask the Minister a question about charity leases. I'm just wondering how they're reported and how they're accounted for under the expenditures summary that appears before us here in the budget. How are those accounted for? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. That would be found under grants and contributions of asset management. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Madam Chair. So grants and contributions only totals $260,000, but just off the top of my head I could probably come up with a value much higher than that in terms of what the government's supplying various folks out there in terms of charity leases. So I'm wondering where else is it accounted for. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, each department, if it had a facility and kept it on its books and was leasing it as a charity lease to an organization, would have to account for it under their appropriation. So Public Works is directly involved in this one asset. We have it accounted for. If Health has other facilities, they would have to account for it there. Education would have some, it would be accounted under Education's appropriation. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the Minister could get us, I guess I'd like to see a further breakdown of that $260,000, what it's for and what it covers. The other side of that, Madam Chair, I'd like to know how maintenance and costs like that are accounted for, as well. Are they under grants and contributions, or are they somewhere else? How do we build in costs like maintenance to some of these buildings that contain charity leases? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. It would normally be incorporated in the full value being estimated, but I will get that information and provide that to the Member.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Next, Ms. Lee.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just have a simple question about the details on the increase of a couple of million dollars under asset management, other expenses. Could I just get some detail on that, please? Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Lee. Mr. Roland.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the total increment for under other expenses incorporates the human resource amalgamation, lease cost for new office space, as well as management of drinking water. That initiative with the Department of Health and Social Services and Municipal and Community Affairs. As well, travel costs for the two positions for Inuvik schools. Forced growth goes into accommodation lease costs, operations maintenance costs for asset inventory, and other increased lease costs for facilities that we deal with, as well as the funding allocated for these costs for the BDIC transferred from ITI. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Ms. Lee.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Under details of other expenses on page 5-17 we see the utilities going, being budgeted a lot less than what was actually spent for year 2005-2006 and a lot less than what were the actuals for 2004-2005, and that seems to be going against the common sense trend that we observe. I'd like to have some explanation on that, Madam Chair.