Mr. Chairman, thank you. I will not be supporting the motion until I receive the information. I was very much prepared to see this money deleted from the bill. I guess related to the experience that we have already suffered as a consequence of CATSA's approach to this kind of thing and the department's ability to pass these costs on to consumers through more fees, Mr. Chairman, I am more prepared to say that the general revenue of the Government of the Northwest Territories should take this hit rather than it being passed on yet again to consumers. That is my reason for not supporting the deletion.

Thank you, Mr. Braden. To the motion.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. I am sorry; the motion is defeated.

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Sorry. Page 20, Transportation, operations expenditures, airports, $222,000.

Transportation, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $758,000.

Page 21, Industry, Tourism and Investment, operations expenditures, corporate management, not previously authorized, $65,000.

Energy, mines and petroleum resources, not previously authorized, $350,000.

Economic development, not previously authorized, $183,000.

Industry, Tourism and Investment, operations expenditures, total department, not previously authorized, $598,000.

Page 22, Environment and Natural Resources, operations expenditures, corporate management, not previously authorized, $114,000.

Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess this is nothing new for the Minister to hear this; the Minister of ENR, that is. It goes back to some comments I made in

the House earlier this week with caribou and how it is that we seem to be just having a haphazard approach to looking at and counting herds or caribou from east to west. If you look at the numbers, we are going to spend $550,000 on a Caribou Management Strategy, but we really haven't had a meeting with all the stakeholders involved, a sit down, a heart to heart with everybody. It hasn't happened. Here we are; we're going to go out and spend $30,000 on Cape Bathurst, $40,000 on Bluenose, $30,000 on Bluenose East and who knows which animals are where on any given day? Like I mentioned, and many Members in this House have mentioned, these herds cross boundaries, they don't know boundaries. They intermingle, the come together. I mean you can count them on one day and you'll have a completely different count three weeks from then. It's absurd why we would continue with that type of mentality, I would say, and I would think what really should happen is we should count them as all-encompassing, everything, and then you get a clear picture what's really happening. To me I think it's a waste, really, and I can't put it any more bluntly than that. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This area of caribou management, the information provided by the department in this area is the monitor of...(inaudible)...distribution movements through the use of satellite collars. There's 20 of them being identified, public information and education programs, an inventory compliance activity in consultation with community stakeholders for a total of $525,000. It's an area that has come up as a result of the monitoring that has been going on and the decline in the count that has happened and the environment that we work under with our co-management bodies. The discussions have been ongoing with the groups throughout the territory in this area. As the Member stated already, in this area of doing a caribou summit or something of that nature, that hasn't been discussed, but it is requested by the Minister in the consultation with community stakeholders as part of this $525,000 is $140,000. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Mr. Ramsay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the Minister for that. The last thing I'll say is that I believe wholeheartedly that the sooner you get all of the stakeholders under one roof to discuss issues that are relative to everybody, then and only then can you come up with a management plan and until you do that you really, like I said, it's like you really don't know what the target is, you don't know what the end game is, you don't know what the results are going to be. You have to get everybody together. So I'd just leave it at that, Mr. Chairman, and I know the Minister was listening to my statement the other day and the questions I had for him and I would suggest this caribou summit take place the sooner the better. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay. Next I have Mr. Villeneuve.