This is page numbers 1425 - 1454 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was caribou.

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Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this amendment that is in front of us as a motion item, I, too, cannot support it due to the fact that we have heard over and over in the communities in the Northwest Territories that there is definitely a decline in caribou. That is the whole purpose of why we are here dealing with this motion. Mr. Speaker, this is a critical time of our Assembly here that we must deal with this motion as it is presented earlier. I cannot support the amendment. Mahsi.

---Applause

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. To the amendment. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's funny because by convention we typically can't talk about what's before the courts and, you know, following that circumstance, like recognizing it, it would also seem odd that we would talk about why we can't talk about it. So, you know, I think the only thing we really understand here is that there's uncertainty and this clause sort of points it out. As far as I'm concerned, even though there may be uncertainty, we only have three options, which is the numbers are going up, they're going down or they're stable. As far as I'm concerned, this little clause is a small detail that doesn't change the fact that there's uncertainty and concern about the bigger picture. So I will not be supporting the amendment. Thank you.

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Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. To the amendment.

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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An Hon. Member

Question.

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Question has been called. All those in favour of the amendment? All those opposed? The amendment is defeated.

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To the main motion. The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources, Mr. McLeod.

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly recognize the difficulty in addressing this issue in light of where we are in terms of legalities around it. It's obvious that the Members of this House, like many of the residents across the Territories, are very passionate about the caribou and making sure that the herds are here forever.

I'm certainly very encouraged by what we've heard from the Caribou Summit, the traditional harvesters, the residents who attended and many of my colleagues that attended from this House; the discussion and the debate about how the best way to help the herd recover and to be there for the long term. I'm certainly overwhelmed, Mr. Speaker, by the response, the discussion and the commitment that in the last four months I've listened to and heard on the issue of caribou. Certainly I'm very pleased with the level of discussion that happened at the Caribou Summit. It was certainly an historic gathering, as somebody mentioned here earlier; about 180 people that attended from all across the NWT to share their experience and their knowledge about caribou. I think it's probably one of the first times that we've had elders, leaders, harvesters from all across the North, different levels of government, industry and others to come together and discuss the issue of caribou and caribou populations, and talk about potential actions and plans to preserve this very valuable resource. I certainly, again, have to applaud all the members that attended for this honesty and for their commitment shown at the summit.

Many people at the summit and at our information sharing at our community meetings talked about the sacrifices that aboriginal people have made historically when caribou numbers were low. I think that same spirit and willingness has been demonstrated at the summit, at a lot of our discussions in the communities and certainly in this House over the last couple of weeks. The summit has reinforced the actions taken by some of the caribou management boards and also this government to deal with the barren-ground caribou numbers. Many of the actions discussed at the Caribou Summit reflected that.

I wanted to say that Members of this House can rest assured that this government will continue to work closely with the co-management boards and continue to work with the communities as we work towards implementing the actions of the Caribou Summit. I think as stewards of this land and of the wildlife that we share it with, we all have to admit, take ownership, and play a part in the conservation of caribou. This role is, of course, not only shared by us. There are other jurisdictions that share this role with us, mainly Nunavut, Saskatchewan and the Yukon, and we've committed to working with them and making every effort to start putting steps in place to protect the calving grounds and different areas that need to be protected. We will, of

course, have to also increase our knowledge on the status of all the herds. As Members know, we are doing more work in this area. We are doing a survey of the Beverly herd this year and we have support from other jurisdictions. There will be a meeting with my counterparts in Nunavut and also with Saskatchewan to talk about protecting calving grounds.

In closing, the support and discussion around this issue from the Members of the Legislature and also at the Caribou Summit has certainly been appreciated and I look forward to working with all the different MLAs of this House, the co-management boards, the communities, harvesters, industry and our other partners, to ensure that this very important resource is there for our current generation and also our future generations, Mr. Speaker. I also wanted to point out that, as this a recommendation to Cabinet, we will not be voting on this motion.

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. To the motion. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, Mr. Hawkins.

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Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My comments on the motion as a whole are pretty brief. What I said earlier, which was the fact I still believe that there's a lot of uncertainty as far as the issue is concerned as a whole. I wish the motion could be more strongly worded. The thing is I find that this court case really challenges what we should really be saying. With that said, I hope Cabinet hears, as well as the ENR Minister hears, the message that we're trying to send; although, like I say, we can't really put it into writing.

Mr. Speaker, this issue is very passionate from those who are harvesters to those who are just purchasers of, in some way, who use the meat or whatever the case may be, but it's a very passionate issue as far as the Territories is concerned. From the Minister's comments, you can hear that; that they recognize that. Again, my area of concern, it's really sad that the outfitters had to launch their court challenge before we had a caribou day, a caribou theme day, but, that being said, Mr. Speaker, I hope the Minister receives the motion as it's intended. Thank you very much.

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins. I'll allow the mover of the motion to close the debate. Mr. Braden.

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5), Defeated
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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker and colleagues, for joining in on the debate of I think what is probably the single most important issue when it comes to daily lives and the livelihood of people in so many of our communities. Mr. Speaker, I think all of us have collected a tremendous amount of information. I know I've got a couple of binders that are at least a couple of inches thick; I think the e-mail file is well-over the 200 mark on this and that's just in the last couple of months. It has very much captured our attention and our hope in preparing for this motion and in taking in the meetings -- I think there were five or six of us in Inuvik -- we're demonstrating that we really are paying attention and that it is the resolve on this side of the Assembly, at the very least, Mr. Speaker, to continue to hold the government to account and to make sure that it delivers to the very best of its ability, with our support and with our engagement, to do the very best that we can to ensure, Mr. Speaker, that this gift of caribou to our people, to Canadians, to the world, is indeed one that we will steward, that we will protect and we will do everything we can to ensure that it's here for generations to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm proud to conclude the debate on this and I would like to ask for a recorded vote. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. The Member has asked for a recorded vote. To the motion. All those in favour, please stand.

Recorded Vote
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Deputy Clerk Of The House Mr. Schauerte

Mr. Braden; Mr. McLeod, Inuvik Twin Lakes; Mr. Hawkins; Mr. Ramsay; Mr. Pokiak; Mr. Villeneuve; Mr. Lafferty; Mr. Miltenberger.

Recorded Vote
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

All those opposed to the motion, please stand. All those abstaining from the motion, please stand.

Recorded Vote
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Deputy Clerk Of The House Mr. Schauerte

Mr. Menicoche; Mr. Krutko; Mr. Roland; Mr. Handley; Mr. Dent; Mr. McLeod, Deh Cho; Mr. Bell; Mrs. Groenewegen; Ms. Lee.

Recorded Vote
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you. The results of the motion, the vote: in favour of the motion, eight; against the motion, zero; abstaining, nine. The motion is carried.

---Carried

---Applause

First reading of bills. The honourable Member responsible for Transportation, Mr. McLeod, or Mr. Menicoche.

Recorded Vote
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to return to item 5 on the Order Paper, please.

Recorded Vote
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Return to item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh, Mr. Menicoche.

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Kevin A. Menicoche

Kevin A. Menicoche Nahendeh

Thank you very much, colleagues. It is my honour to recognize Ms. Susan Caitlin and her son Julian Sabourin to the gallery. Mahsi cho.

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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An Hon. Member

Hey! Hey!

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Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker

The Speaker Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Second reading of bills. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Committee Report 10-15(5), with Mrs. Groenewegen in the chair.

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Okay. I'd like to call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of the committee today? Mr. Lafferty.

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Jackson Lafferty

Jackson Lafferty North Slave

Madam Chair, the committee wishes to consider Committee Report 10-15(5), Standing Committee on Accountability and Oversight Report on the Review of 2005-2006 Annual Report of the Languages Commissioner. Mahsi, Madam Chair.

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Is the committee agreed?

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.